swarbs as for kingpepe,s comment akka wenger "i didnt see it". i am a football fan and whoever you play for and whatever league you play in there is no place for a challange like that end off.
Absolutely agree. It seems the majority of fans feel the same way - most Utd fans think Rooney and Rafael should have been sent off and most Liverpool fans think the same of Gerrard and Carragher. Which begs the question of why, after all the FA promise about cracking down on dangerous challenges, do players not get sent off for tackles like that more often?
What is wrong with what I said.I did admit that Carragher should have got sent off.The reason why he didn't was down to Nani.Nani is the ''Boy that cried wolf'',He lay on the ground,and when Carragher got a yellow,he chased the ref around the pitch attempting to get Jamie Carragher sent off.What Jamie Carragher did was bad,but attempting to get a fellow professional sent off is just as bad. And thats what Nani did.When he didn't manage to get Jamie Carragher sent off, he fell on the ground and looked like he was shot.The crying thing was also pathetic.Delayed reactions are something referees don't buy into.Nani's was a delayed reaction. Ferguson is a hypocrite,for the simple reason,he said Jamie Carragher was a disgrace,when he said Rooneys assault on James McCarthy was a nothing challenge.So in Fergusons view elbowing people in the face isn't worth mentioning. Jamie Carragher has been vilified.So that should shut Man United fans when Rooney got the same treatment.When there was suggestions that Wayne Rooney got vilified for being Wayne Rooney.Is Rooney all that special.?Only Ferguson and the english think he's the best thing since sliced bread. In my opinion,Rooney is not special.He's not even talented.He's a clogger,a work-horse,He's an expensive Kevin Davies or in another post,I said ''Dirk Kuyt with a temper''. I used to hear stuff on the BBC 606 forum that Rooney has ''wonderful technique''.Wonderful technique? Wayne Rooney has NO technique.He cannot trap a ball.When forced onto his weaker foot he loses the ball.Great players when forced onto their weaker foot,change feet in one movement.Thats technique.Even Berbatov even though he's the laziest bastard in the premier league has wonderful technique.Close control is also a technique,Wayne Rooneys close control is poor and thats being kind.Berbatov on the other hand has wonderful close control. Man United fans think close control is running around.Thats the proof they are both clueless,deluded and incredibly stupid.
Why is everyone talking about other tackles? The article is about Carragher's tackle on Nani. Debate that, not others. It was a bad tackle and deserved a sending off. I think if you disagree with that, you are being biased.
I already said Carragher should've been sent off,but the dimwit Man United fans won't admit that Rafael should have walked too.
United fans ARE saying Rafael should of walked, only a dimwit wouldn't of seen the many, many comments saying as much.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, KingPepe. You type in the style of heavy lobotomised chimp with no fingers, and you're calling us dimwits? Plus, not one United fan has even implied that Rafael shouldn't have taken an early shower, stop making stuff up to satisfy your point. However, Carraghers challenge WAS much worse, and to be perfectly frank, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't pre-meditated.
In other words, he's a defender and he does what a defender's supposed to do. What's his favourite card game? SNAP.
Unless I missed something, people have been mostly referring to recent 'tackles' and incidents. My first point is that Paul Scholes is a much more dirty player than Carragher, who has always been unintentional in really bad challenges, Scholes is much more deliberate yet is affectionately referred to a a little feisty red head. Also we must consider how the game has sped up therefore inciting such challenges as games are decided in split moments. Whether it is me with my lanky legs or Karl Henry's rippling thighs, a reaction in an instant can turn into a horrendous challenge without any malicious intention whatsoever. There is a difference between being caught out by the speed of the game or being clumsy, and being generally malicious. Carragher still stands testament to the ideal centre half, on and off the pitch. Perhaps we should re-direct our focus to the small minority of 'fans' who do go to games with the intention of hurting others.
its something we will be debating for years to come and untill the fa actually set out a blue print for tackles like them it will still happen.but at the end off the day carra is a class player he is liverpool through and through and he does fight for the cause and he has saved us on many occassions and there are teams throughout the leagues who have players who wear the badge for there local team,you have some.but at the end off the day it has been done and now we need to move on.my guess it wont be long before we are talking about another challenge just as bad.
I don't think anyone (apart from LuisNani who is a very special case) is arguing that Carragher is a fundamentally dirty player. He is very committed and generally very fair, but has shown his willingness to cross the line before and go out to injure people (against Song in training) when he gets the red mist. I don't think the comparison with Scholes is entirely fair. Scholes and Carragher both go in for sliding challenges with similar levels of force and commitment, but Carragher is simply a better tackler, with much higher levels of control. Which of course means that he's much better able to decide to deliberately take a chunk out of someone. I've never seen a Scholes tackle that even compared to these ones in terms of having studs up, in the air, and being completely focused on the player: please log in to view this image please log in to view this image I agree that the speed of the game has increased, but surely that is all the more reason to take more care to protect players from dangerous and potentially career ending challenges?
Erm like the time Dion Dublin then of Manchester United ended David Bussts career.Or when Roy ''Take that you bastard'' Keane ended Alfie Haalands.
I think you'll find Dublin was on the same team as Busst that day, it was a collision with Irwin and McClair that broke his leg, you really should check your facts before running your mouth, your starting to sound a lot like Rafa Benitez.
Do you purposely set out to make yourself look like a stupid plastic? Cos you do a pretty good job every time you open your mouth! Dion Dublin was playing for Coventry when David Busst was injured. He collided with Denis Irwin and Brian McClair in what everyone knows was an accident, and his leg broke under his own momentum. Or are you next going to claim it was Riise who injured Alan Smith in 2007? As for Keane, well done. You have concluded what everyone else on the forum agreed on last weekend . And the only difference between Keane and Jamie "take that you soft ****" Carragher is that Keane's tackle succeeded in ending Haaland's career, whilst Carragher failed to end Song's.
Jamie Carragher not only in his book said that about Song,He said the same thing about El Hadji Diouf. What was the reason.I'll tell you what the reason was,after a defeat they walked into training laughing,as if they didn't care.Is this acceptable.Not in Jamie Carraghers eyes.Roy Keane commented on the same thing and he more or less that he would give ANY player a smack in the chops if they took a defeat not seriously.Okay he took it too far by mouthing off on MUTV which resulted in him getting kicked out.But Roy Keane and Jamie Carragher have one thing in common,they are competitors.You may have noticed Jamie Carragher roaring and shouting at his fellow defenders.Roy Keane is his day bellowed at many a player.This proves my point. There is definitely not anything wrong with a competitive edge,and I disagree entirely that Jamie Carragher went out intentionally to injure Nani.He would have committed a bigger crime if he let Nani go past him,but that isn't his way or was it Roy Keanes.Neither believe or believed in letting the opposition get the better of them if at all possible.
Didn't Carragher go after Song for laughing at him and thinking he wasn't good enough to play for England? I agree entirely that it is important to have a competitive edge, and that is what has made Keane and Carragher such great players. But it is also important to keep your competitive edge under control, and both of them have taken it too far in the past, Keane on Haaland and Carragher on Song. Setting out to deliberately hurt someone is going way beyond competitive. I guess we'll never know if Carragher deliberately meant to hurt Nani. I doubt he went into the tackle planning to injure Nani enough to force him to be subbed, but I think there was a definite element of "even if I miss the ball he's not getting past me" and maybe a bit of "give him a kick so he doesn't try any clever dribbles in future" to it. I guess that sort of physical initimidation will always be part of a contact sport. But an unfortunate consequence of that is sometimes players misjudge it and injuries happen.
Carraghers was one of the worst tackles of the season, Rafaels wasnt a red as the game should of been stopped for the fowl on Rafael seconds beforte, therefore making his tackle void. Its no coincidence that this during liverpools **** as **** season 2 liverpool players have gone in to injure our players, both should of received lengthy bans regardless of who has done what this season. and jamie carragher a model pro? hahahaha, funny guy. Cheat is the word your looking for, the amount of blatant handballs, dirty fouls and other stuff he does is up there with the worst of them.
Blatant hand-balls look up Gary Neville. Dirty fouls.How many has Paul Scholes got away with over the years.He should have seen red on saturday.Will Ferguson the biggest hypocrite to grace English football mention this.Of course not.Like the Rooney elbow,it will be a ''nothing challenge.As for cheating.Manchester United invented it in football.They are far worse than Leeds were in the 1970s.As for players they have had that blatantly cheated over the years,How about Nani,The winker,Ruud Van Horseface/Nistledive,Kneestillsore.Wayne ''Granny shagger,fat ****,shrek,Mr potato head,the prozzie humper'' Rooney. Never mind Sir Drinkalot,that bought more referees than good players.
and Of course you have proof for these statements or you're just talking out of yer arse like most Liverpool fans?
I have proof. How many clubs have ''Fergie time''.The extra added minutes when Man United are losing.? How about Mike Riley in 17 games at Old Trafford,He gave Manchester United 10 penalties and none to the opposition. There is also Steve Bennett who was well known to award the odd dubious decision to Manchester United. Plus there is the Pedro Mendes goal that never was...again at Old Trafford. From 1993-2004,3 penalties were awarded at Old Trafford.Two were successfully converted and one wasn't.Ruel Fox and Danny Murphy..11 years apart were successful,and Juninho was the unsuccessful one,and this was the day 10 Manchester United players chased Andy D'urso around the pitch for having the brass balls to award a penalty at Old Trafford,what action was taken....None,well what would you expect from a club that has committed more bribery than an Italian chairman.
