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Ante-Post Arrows: The 10 week run-up to The Cheltenham Festival 2012

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by TopClass, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. NassauBoard

    NassauBoard Well-Known Member

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    Really?

    To me the race is framed perfectly for him at the minute, he is a horse who is very lightly raced, showed good improvement in his last run and showed that he is open to more improvement. I agree that he has a lot to find (2 stone on handicap marks) but I am of the opinion that horses like SE and BZ have inflated handicap marks and I don't think they could run to them in handicap company. He is so lightly raced and in better hands, who is to say that he cannot improve at least another stone?

    I don't think Finian's Rainbow will stay up the hill and I think they could go such a pace that a horse like Hold Fast can stay on strongly. I also think he is one of few who will go for the race (given that he runs well at the weekend) and we could see a small field lining up.
     
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  2. woolcombe-folly007

    woolcombe-folly007 Well-Known Member

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    35 days to go
     
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  3. Zenyatta

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    <cracker>

    Pricewise has put him up for the RSA this morning in the Racing Post, I would guess at 16/1. He's still 14/1 with Ladbrokes and, assuming that Segal selecting him means that he will run, that still looks a very decent price. Especially when the horse he beat fair and square in the Feltham, Bobs Worth, is as short as 4/1 and no bigger than 5/1.

    I'm just hoping that this means he will run. Segal is loathe to put up a non-runner. That would be the very worst result.
     
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  4. woolcombe-folly007

    woolcombe-folly007 Well-Known Member

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  5. TopClass

    TopClass Well-Known Member

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    Just added SHAMAR 1pt win 80/1 on Betfair for the Triumph hurdle. Looks an interesting recruit for the Mullins team and I fancy it might take better to hurdling than Midnight Oil.
     
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  6. woolcombe-folly007

    woolcombe-folly007 Well-Known Member

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    How many ante posts you got toppy?
     
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  7. TopClass

    TopClass Well-Known Member

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    Too many Wooly. <laugh>


    Since I got my new job I've been able to spread my antepost into a bit of a portfolio. Its ambitious with the prices and doubts over runners, but because of Betfairs mad odds, I can play smaller stakes. It's just to give me (hopefully) some value vouchers at the festival for a bit of fun interest <ok>


    The Supreme Novice is one I've covered the most but Smain is out, and Captain Conan doubtful at the moment, Make Your Mark still set for Neptune Hurdle judging by Betfair prices but he screams Supreme Novice to me. But thats the chance you take on Ante-Post. If nothing comes of them I won't lose a lot, if I land one I'll win a good sum. We can only hope!
     
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  8. woolcombe-folly007

    woolcombe-folly007 Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> good luck mate lol
     
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  9. Grizzly

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    I've just taken the 14s Rocky Creek for the Albert Bartlett with Hills.
    Gradually been shortened by everyone else, I know how highly they rate this horse and I don't see Nicholls or Mullins aiming anything of his quality at the race so Walsh will ride (who helped school the horse and thinks he could be absolute top drawer).
     
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  10. Zenyatta

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    Do you not think there's still a chance that Boston Bob might go this route . . . ?

    I know Mullins said he was preferring the Neptune but not set in stone as yet.
     
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  11. Grizzly

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    Zen - I'd taken Mullins' comments on board and the view that RC should be 8/1 or shorter if BB heads for the Neptune.
    BB is a very good horse but so is RC, there's a lot more to come from this horse...
     
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  12. TopClass

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    I do wonder because he shapes like a proper stayer. Neptune is a better race to win because its a hot lineup.

    Hope he meets Fingal Bay and Simonsig in the Neptune but i dont think we'll get that epic clash!


    Can anyone tell me whether the Deloitte Hurdle at Leopardstown is seen as a Supreme trial or a Neptune Trial.
     
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  13. Grizzly

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    I've always believed it to be a Supreme trial
     
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  14. Zenyatta

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    More a Supreme Trial but can throw up a contender for either.
     
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    Captain Conan popping across the Irish Sea for the Deloitte this week-end, maybe all is not lost for the Neptune LOL :)
     
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  16. TopClass

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    LOL just my luck!

    You covered him for the Neptune GDC?

    Sous Les Cieux an intriguing runner, cantered all over a decent field including Gigginstown horse Midnight Game early in the season, before looking a weak finisher on a couple of occasions.

    Hoping that the Deloitte will at least tell us who is going where from that lineup.

    Can anyone see Captain Conan going close in Ireland or do we think he is no match for the Irish? I was googling and Mullins said 'He (Captain Conan) will have to be good' after hearing of his surprise supplementing.
     
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  17. Zenyatta

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    I think if Captain Conan wins the Deloitte then we can safely say that none of the Irish (running in the Deloitte) are much good, well not in the context of winning either the Supreme or the Neptune.
     
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    Boston Bob not any good Zen. Eh? Unbelievable.
     
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  19. Zenyatta

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    Is Boston Bob running in the Deloitte Quelesprit? No.

    Quite clearly the result will have absolutely zilch reflection on his chances in the Neptune or the Albert Bartlett.

    I meant in terms of the horses running in Sunday's race but I thought that was obvious. <cheers>
     
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  20. Quelesprit

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    That's not what it implied but I'll let you off. What you said was if Conan wins the Deloitte the Irish challenge for the Neptune must be poor but as Boston Bob doesn't run in the Deloitte I didn't see how you could come to that conclusion.
     
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