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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Commachio, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Capello is correct. They are hanging the man prior to his conviction, its a joke. Complete undermining of the manager too. Sums up the FA though, they are incompetent and out of touch. Personally I dislike Terry and think there are better centre halfs now but that has nothing to do with this scenario.

    What I want to know is if Floyd Mayweather can persuade a judge to delay his imprisonment to allow him to box and make money, how the **** can the FA not get this all sorted out prior to the tournament? Can someone not explain this to the courts and make a case for the trial to be brought forward? Its a joke that we are once again happy to handicap our manager prior to another major tournament. Its frustrating enough that we're not good enough to win and about the 10th best team in the world, without putting the last few nails in. I expect to find they've also booked hotels with a pub and strip club right outside.

    Personally I rate Capello highly. He has achieved the results you'd expect from a national team with our ability. I would have preferred he'd done better in SA but there were a number of things. He was tournament virgin and will have learnt from the last experience. The other things were out of his control, like Mr Rooney!
     
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  2. Chappaz

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    Calm yourself boyo.

    Who cares if we're talking about someone who has done anything previously? Do you not understand how fair justice works? This is a new case and he has yet to be proven guilty or not guilty, so being punished before he's even stepped foot inside a court is wrong. Simple as that, regardless of what you personally think of him.

    They have facts, but they don't have a verdict. I'm sure the prosecution and the defence will have just as many 'facts' as each other. That's why there will be a court case.

    Did he say 'black', did he say 'blind' or did he say 'bellend'? I've watched the video 10 times over in slow motion and I still don't know 100%. Until someone makes the verdict, I won't approve of anyone handing down punishments or justice of their own in advance.
     
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  3. Bumblebore

    Bumblebore Well-Known Member

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    So if I were to call you a **** I would not be guilty of calling you a **** until a jury finds me guilty of calling you a ****?
    Every man and his dog saw what Terry called Ferdinand and I don't need a judicial decision to clarify that.By the way your a **** x
     
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  4. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Innocent until proven guilty.
     
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  5. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    Now we are talking John Terry..<ok>
     
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  6. adz_safc

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    I agree with the point that whilst the case is ongoing it's disrespectful to have Terry as captain but I also agree with Chappaz in innocent until proven guilty however we have seen this not be the case in football recently with the bother at the Central station between both Sunderland and Newcastle fans.

    Personally I think Terry should have took matters into his own hands and came out of this case with a tiny bit of respect by handing the captaincy to someone else. What happens now if Anton or Rio Ferdinand is selected? Dis-content amongst the squad before it's even been selected.

    "England, the laughing stock of the world, apart from Scotland that is".
     
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  7. Chappaz

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    Calling me a **** to my face is a little more obvious than a silent video with a sideways shot of his face.

    [video=youtube;z0z_Y2dk-aQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0z_Y2dk-aQ&feature=related[/video]

    We all have opinions, and personally, I think he does look like he says 'black'. However, can I tell for sure? No. Can anyone tell for sure? No. So should Terry essentially be punished for something which no one is entirely sure he did or not? No. The fact there is a case, and the fact that Terry is supplying a defence and is confident of clearing his name, should tell you that this is a little more than an open and shut case.

    Once the evidence has been scrutinised, both sides have been heard and a verdict has been reached, then by all means have a pop at him. However, no one should be taking any action against him based on 7 seconds of crappy footage in which every man and his dog has suddenly become a lip reading expert.
     
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  8. MackemsRule

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    You are a ****ing idiot!
    Anton accused him not me!
    Are you saying Anton is lying?
    What was Anton's agenda for doing so? (apart from being ex Sunderland!)

    Terry is an embarrassment and should never have had the Captaincy returned to him, bad management to give it back to him!
    The FA were completely correct to not risk future embarrassment!




    Graham Taylor, who managed the England national side for three years between 1990 and 1993: "I can't see what Capello's agenda is. All it does is disturb everything even more. It may be that he wants the FA to take a decision on this job. It depends really on how strongly he feels about it.
    "To come out in this public fashion actually, in one respect, gives England an even bigger problem for the selection and harmony of the squad for the European Championship."
     
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  9. ...And Out Come the Wolve

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    Maybe you should remind some of your chums about this with regards to Titus.
     
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  10. MackemsRule

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    Professional Footballers' Association and their chief executive Gordon Taylor on 5 live Breakfast: "Speaking to [FA chairman] David Bernstein the position had been made clear to Fabio Capello and you would expect that if employers had made that decision for a bigger picture he would have followed that.
    "It's going to make it embarrassing now for whoever it is who is made England captain now the manager's view have been made public.
    "The FA has handled a delicate situation as delicately as possible and they will feel undermined to say the least by the manager coming out and disapproving of their decision.
    "It's a real stand-off, it's not good and it's not what England wanted before the European Championship."
     
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  11. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Unfortunately the FA have undermined their manager and that has been the catalyst for any problems between them. Capello stating his view is correct. The manager picks the captain and always should. I could understand if Terry had actually been convicted of something but he hasn't. Innocent until proven guilty. FA are at fault. Capello showed with the Bridge thing that if something is proven he will act. But if we start punishing people before they have been convicted, then you are heading down a very slippery path judicially.

    The real problem is the case not being brought forward to be dealt with in the next two months so that a decision made on his inclusion can be based on fact rather than hearsay/suspect evidence which is all the accusation is at the moment.
     
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  12. Billy Death

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    That seems to have ****ed him off. <ok>
     
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  13. Wherewereyou

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    I don't know if he's guilty or not - I wasn't there.

    I do believe that he should have stood down as captain, simply to take the heat out of the situation if nothing else.

    I can't believe that you're using the fact that he is pleading his innocence as an argument in his favour. How many times have you heard of people pleading their innocence but being found guilty? Were they actually innocent because they said they were? How naive of you.

    What do you expect him to say? "I done it guv, bang me up".
     
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  14. MackemsRule

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    So you are accusing Anton of lying too, to defend a person who has already been proved to be a liar.
    Explain to me Anton's reasons for lying please, your best supposition will do.<ok>
    Odd how Anton's accusation corresponds to the video and not Chappedarses attempts to defend Terry!

    Let's not forget the FA have the full facts in front of them, they cannot do anything about Terry till the court case is over.
    There decision is correct, we should not have this ****stain as the figurehead of English football.
     
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  15. Chappaz

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    I won't tell you again boy. Calm down.

    Show me where Anton has publicly accused Terry of the racist remarks? Oh yeah, you're making it up.
    The FA have punished a man for a crime he has not been proven to have committed. It's out of order. Plain and simple. If other aspects of society did this, the country would be a right mess.

    Because Capello understands how ridiculous it is that a man has been punished for something he hasn't been convicted of, and something he may have actually never done.
     
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  16. Chappaz

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    Then it is up to Terry to do that, not the FA.
    the 'pleading innocence' thing is not an argument in his favour at all. It's an argument which highlights why there will be a case in court and why the verdict has not been reached, because there will be a prosecution, a defence and then a proper trial to determine the outcome. The justice system want to take Terry to court over the racist comments, and Terry has decided to defend himself to try and clear his name. With no clear-cut evidence yet to be seen, no one can say with any certainty at all whether Terry is guilty or not, and for that reason, he cannot be punished in advance.
     
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  17. Chappaz

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    Maybe you should remind some of your chums that they are doing to Terry exactly what some Newcastle fans have done to Bramble.
     
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  18. Wherewereyou

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    Have re-read your comments, and you do not convince me in the least - it's yet another case of you being you - i.e. whatever you say, I have an answer.

    Why is it up to Terry? He should have been a man and taken the decision but in the absence of that decision, the FA took the decision, because it is in their gift and they wanted to take the heat out. Terry, and Capello, by their actions have seen to it that if anything it's got hotter.
     
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  19. bobgee

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    Who gives a toss. They never pick players from up here no matter how good they are. Remember 'Judas'? He moved clubs and hey presto! he suddenly became international class. Funny that.
     
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  20. Wherewereyou

    Wherewereyou Guest

    You are, of course, right! Thinking about it, I don't give a ****!
     
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