bad news on way for Pompey!!

If only you and 3rdeye would stop dodging the point to continually make jibes towards the poster. But then, you're a mod... so I guess you're free to do what you please.

 

Agree with both of you.

From a business point of view as I said in my last post Portsmouth isn't an attractive buy due to the debts, no other reason.

But whoever (if someone) buys the club then they will have to wipe out about £20-30m of debt straight away, and that is just to get debt collectors and tax man off your back. Plus there are people like Chainrai that are owed a huge amount too...

Also as comrade says Pompey always say they are loyal but attendees over the last few years have been poor which again isn't attractive as a buyer would like to see that they are going to be getting a lot of money in consistently from sales of tickets, shirts etc...

Them you have to build on the team which will cost a huge amount and the club infrastructure.

It would cost the new buyer close to £50m to rebuild.

 

From a fans point of view the club is attractive because of its history and the fact that the players are already decent (ish) enough for the Championship.

It's the debts and off field problems which are the real killer which the fans can do little about...

 

And the lack of progression perhaps?

going forward with Portsmouth is impossible, a new stadium wouldn't do anything because they can't fill their current ground (and history shows that even European football won't make them sell out), and that means that they couldn't sustain anything beyond mid table in the championship without considerable debt and being unprofitable on a massive scale.

it's the sole reason that no one has bought Oldham and bankrolled a push to the premiership.

 

okay then - I'll go through point by point for you.

How many points here?
the players are not of substantial quality compared to other clubs - league position, - in your opinion, which is not shared by everyone. There are members of our team who do have Premier League experience
stupidly high wages etc there is a budget for wages which has been agreed with the Football League, all players are paid within the total budget, although there is one player who is still on his premier league wage which the club is contractually obliged to honour
your clubs fans do not help the cause - failure to sell out a small ground such as FP when the club needs them most, and these were the same when the club was doing well and spending millions/winning the cup, and thus a small fan base makes PFC an unprofitable enterprise there are a number of reasons why numbers have fallen, including those stated by supporters who will not return while there are still links to previous (and current) owners. There is debate amongst the fans as to whether this is the right or wrong stance to take.

where are the Wembley crowds? they should be backing the club (again, what's wrong with this point?) See above. There will also be the loss of JCLs which every club endures, even yours.

32 million can buy you more profitable enterprises than Portsmouth, ala Leicester or Ipswich or Forest... who's potential is much greater. Completely agree, which is why so many supporters are adamant that the current owner is being totally unrealistic with his demand to get his 'investment' back in full. As they point out time after time nobody is going to spend that amount of money on a club which has been badly used by so many former owners who also failed to invest in the infrastructure.

with all this considered, are you surprised that no serious businessman would want to buy PFC? No.

If you leave out the nasty insults you may find you can engage in a worthwhile and honest conversation.

 

Er, we sold out against AC Milan, pretty sure we sold out against Vitoria. Perhaps we may have not sold out against Herenveen but we were already out of Europe at that point.

Anyway, if we get a new stadium people would be perhaps be drawn to going to a ground with nice shiny new facilities. It's why even though we may not sell out if we were in the Premier League, people might be more inclined to go if we had a stadium like St Mary's, leading to a higher attendance.

 

PM,you're so masterful.Good point though ....................

 

European football in regards to their time in the Premiership... my bad, by that I mean that your club were going places and really bringing in great talents, and yet the club didn't manage to sell out for Premier league games (a point made by Harry Redknapp even).

I also agree that a new stadium could attract supporters due to facilities... but there's lot's of 'possible' and 'potential' in regards to buying PFC, when the amount that would have to be invested for all of this (50 million to get to the standard of your Derby's of the world) could buy you the finished product without all the risk attached, or the amount of debt (or having to work out what the hell has happened).

@3rd eye

you do have experienced players in the squad, but its also threadbare and not producing results at a level of which a club worth 32 million should. Investment in the team to replace ageing players and give your side the needed depth would cost more money.

as for reasons stated in regards to poor attendances, the club had 15,000 for Premier league matches in it's best days... when Sacha and co were loved down your side of the motorway, I assume then that it's economical? the recession? which if that's the case it's a bit of a dud explanation when every club in the country's fans are also having to count the pennies.

we also lose JCL's and I'm sure they'll all arrive when we're in the Premiership again. But we manage to get 22,000 on the worst of days... and it appears that your club have a very low 'core' support.

I just don't see how anyone would buy Portsmouth in it's current state...

 

I have to admit I am bemused by your hang-up with our attendance record. I'm sure this isn't a case of mine is bigger than yours is it? All I can tell you is that people will have their reasons, which includes, as stated by supporters themselves saying they refuse to come back until there is no link any longer with former (and current) owners.

I've noticed that the same old chestnut gets put on the News site by Saints fans, every day, - it just appears childish.

 

I'm sorry, but 15,000 for premier league matches during our best period is just factually wrong. I think the lowest generally was about 18,500 maybe but usually more than that, around the 20,000 mark I think (particularly when playing the big four).

Well, yes of course there are better teams to buy out there from a financial point of view, but if someone was altruistic and wanted to create something, they could do more with Portsmouth than with, as you say, the finished product maybe.

 

Its not about the millions or what they are going to get for it.Apart from money laundering its just a rich mans play thing.Who makes money out of owning football clubs? Very few i guess so if there is a rich, money laundering man out there looking for a new toy it could be (once again) pompeys lucky day ............

 

Guys and Gals for all the discussions that are happening at the moment what is being said and discussed has been said over and over again. It is the exact same arguments sometimes put in different ways and the same counter arguments again sometimes put in different ways.
Pompey are in a load of trouble which ever way you look at it. They have been for the last couple of seasons. There comes a point in my view that rubbing their fans noses in the **** day in day out saying the same old thing becomes downright boring and uninteresting. Pompey Fans have every right to defend their club just as we saints fans did when we were in trouble. Some of their fans today still feel the need to remind us of our troubles although it is getting less and less. We complained bitterly about this at the time and yet here we are with the odd saint fan going over the top. In my book the thread does not have that much interest for many Saints or Pompey fans any more.
I will be closing the thread in about an hour or so unless there is a lot of people that have a disagreement with this. Please Pm me if you do not wish this to happen and your reasons why. Any mods that are reading this perhaps you would pm me your views too. I would add this thread has been running for about 5 days or there abouts anyway!

 

Good call Beddy!

 

I PM'd you .

 

Thanks Buddy you did and I have replied. Have had about 7 so far!

 

I guess this thread is like flogging a dead horse. Which is exactly what Admin Andy is trying to do!!

 

I doubt that anything major is going to happen before 20th February so I guess it is time to wait and see.