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Sordell - Hero or Villain?

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Lloydinio, Feb 1, 2012.

  1. vic-rijrode

    vic-rijrode Well-Known Member

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    We've had the "what makes a Watford F.C. hero" debate before. I would suggest that Sordell is very definitely not a hero when you compare what he has achieved to our striking heroes of the past - Holton, Livesey, Endean, Mercer, Jenkins, Blissett, Barnes, Mooney, Helguson.

    Not remotely anywhere near their exalted company, but that's not his fault.
     
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  2. Lloydinio

    Lloydinio Well-Known Member

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    Helguson could come back as QPR have bought loads of strikers.
     
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  3. Lloydinio

    Lloydinio Well-Known Member

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    If Wickham is worth 8 mill then sordell is worth at least 10mill also I talking about the league top scorers and Deeney has scored 3 in the league.
     
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  4. Roger68

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    Bas has made a good statement that reassures the fans that he took advice in coming to this decision (GT), that he sanctioned the deal at the best possible time for the club, and that we have a future financial interest in Marvin's progress. What an odd character Bas is, sometimes impulsive and naive in his statements, sometimes quite measured. Quite how this deal factors in to the financial situation of the club--whether it means real money for investment in ground or players for example--remains to be seen. At the very least it is working capital till the end of the season. So we will survive till next year. An achievement in itself.
     
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  5. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    So has Yeates - so I suppose that makes Deeney top scorer then ;)
     
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  6. hockdude

    hockdude Active Member

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    Agree with most people, he is neither hero nor villain, but (many) footballer supporters require their main characters for the pantomime. I would have liked to have seen another million on the fee but can't help thinking that despite the goals we have lost, if the club decided they had to lose a player then they made the right choice in keeping Mariappa.

    One who was deemed professional enough to represent the club last night despite continued negotiations regarding a move, the other removed from the squad entirely. It was made quite clear that Sordell would be a reluctant influence at best if he hadn't got his move, I doubt we'd be so generous had he stayed and run down his contract and somehow been even lazier on the pitch. Can't help but compare it to the reception Don Cowie got this year (mainly as it still annoys me) but he had been at least as good and arguably a better servant to the club than Sordell, he got on with his job and nobody could possibly fault him on effort. We didn't get a fee for him but that is hardly his fault. He moved to the wrong club with the wrong manager at the wrong time, but like Sordell only did so to further his career.

    In brief conclusion hero or villain? It depends on the mood, we, the football supporters are in, and what we need in our ever continuing football soap opera (and we created ourselves plenty of villains in the summer). I hope Sordell does well and wish him good luck, I will keep an eye on his progress along with all ex-horns. For the club is always bigger and I think by luck or judgement the correct decisions were made yesterday.
     
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  7. Hornette_TID

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    He is neither. He hasn't played to his potential recently, imho, and this might do us a bit of a favour. I don't think we would have got more money, and yes, Baz's comments about Cardiff are hugely satisfying. One thing i will say is that now we don't have a striker that everyone will hoof the ball to, perhaps we'll keep the ball on the floor more and play more of a passing game, that'd be a huge advantage to losing Sordell. I wish him well. As i've said, i think, for him, he's gone too early, but it seems as if for us, he's gone just at the right time..on a few levels.

    And like many, it'd be good to know what the money will be spent on.
     
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  8. NZHorn

    NZHorn Well-Known Member

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    We don't know the personal terms he was offered apart from a 2.5 year contract. What we do know is that Watford do not pay much by Championship standards. It is quite possible that he has got a multiple increase in pay, even if he's not in the first team at Bolton. I can't help thinking of Gifton Noel-Williams who was injured before he could maximise his earnings. An agent of any worth would have pointed out the fragility of professional sport.

    Added to all that, and I can only go by what you lot say, he may not have what it takes to be a Premier league player. There are lots of examples of U21 internationals who have never made it to the top. He may have felt the need to grab this opportunity when it came. It may not have come again.

    I wish him well and I hope he goes onto better things but, ultimately, loyalty does not pay the mortgage when you are 30 and slipping down the leagues, let alone when you are 35 and have to find some other work.
     
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  9. Charlie Livesey was my hero

    Charlie Livesey was my hero Well-Known Member

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    If you read further into Bas's statement, they had offered to double Marvin's wages but he turned the club down and stated it was his (&agents) intention to run down the contract and go on a free. I think that the club did the right thing by selling. I also liked his comment about Cardiff.

    [I]"We made an offer to double Marvin's wages, however his agent advised that this wouldn't be considered and that they'd simply let his contract run down.

    "We also had approaches from other clubs, including Cardiff City. Given what has happened in the two clubs' recent history, the chances of striking a deal there were remote to say the least."
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    So a no from me about being a hero.
     
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  10. North North Watford

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    Are we not entirely convinced that it's the bonds? Based on several sources, not least what Bassini has said himself, I had assumed that was what it was.
     
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  11. Chris 13

    Chris 13 Well-Known Member

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    And he didn't even make the bench last night for the Bolton game................
     
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  12. North North Watford

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    Hardly surprising, given that he was at Millwall on Tuesday expecting to play. Even if he did have an inkling that he might be leaving, it seems clear that he only found out Bolton was his destination a few hours before the window closed, and he wouldn't have known that the transfer had definitely gone through until a few minutes before we did.

    He'll be in their squad at Norwich, I'm confident of that.
     
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  13. Hornette_TID

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    He would have had to have signed by midday on Tuesday to have played last night.
     
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  14. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

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    Do you want Ellington on loan????????????
     
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  15. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    If we pay his wages and you pay his pie bill for the month then we might consider thinking about it.
     
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  16. Hornette_TID

    Hornette_TID Well-Known Member
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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    er...sorry!

    No thank you ;)
     
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  17. North North Watford

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    Pay us £3.25m and we'll think about it.
     
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  18. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

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    The offer is there......lol
     
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  19. wear_yellow

    wear_yellow Well-Known Member

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    OK, pay us the money, pay his wages and pie bill and pay for the fork-truck to dump him across our goal line and you have a deal...
     
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  20. deano58

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    cant see you getting either helguson or smith..heider is our top scorer and smith is a good squad player, also would they be prepared to drastically drop their wages..of course not
     
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