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Leeds v Birmingham match thread

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Jan 29, 2012.

  1. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Are you serious. No reason why we won't win all four games. I'll give you one, those teams are all as good as us. Our last three matches were results against ten men. How bad do we have to be before some fans actually see it
     
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  2. Whiteyorkist

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    I'll get on to it just for you, this could be a long process as you've posted over 1100 posts, the majority of them brain numbingly boring and also inaccurate. Speak soon.
     
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  3. MIGHTY

    MIGHTY Del-Boy

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  4. Lewis_LUFC92

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    We are better than all of those teams, i'm sorry. We aren't as bad as people are saying, its just our defence thats ****e.
     
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  5. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    Which is why needed to sign a CB today but we didnt

    O'Dear is ****ing ****
     
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  6. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I had to run a badminton sesh tonight. Heard the half time score and was feeling quite confident. Then we let in 3 goals in 5 minutes. WTF....
     
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  7. MarkoLUFC

    MarkoLUFC Well-Known Member

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    We're absolutely awful. Way worse than last season. I think last seasons team with the central midfield we've got + Aidy White, we'd be hammering everyone every week. Assuming Bates wasn't there of course.
     
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  8. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    I disagree Marko, I think both Delph and Clayton are both far better than Johnson and Kilkenny (especially kilkenny).

    If we sorted out the defence (and bought andy keogh), we truly coulda been awesome this season, we are not that far off but without the quality CB we look to be very far off
     
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  9. MarkoLUFC

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    hence I said last years team with the central midfield we've got now... we even have depth thanks to Brown and Pugh.
     
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  10. MarkoLUFC

    MarkoLUFC Well-Known Member

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    Update, I have sent an email to the club asking for a refund on my membership.
     
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  11. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    ah sorry, just skim read your post, didnt really read it properly
     
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  12. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    I'd take lonergan as well though
     
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  13. MarkoLUFC

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    oh of course lonergan. I'd have Schmeichel on the bench, unfortunately he'd never sit on the bench as it would buckle under his ego.
     
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  14. Logi_Lufc

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    guna attempt to be a little positive if im allowed? 1st half was best ive seen us in a while. with more clinical finishing and against a poorer side we could have been out of sight. if we can start like that more often and not defend like children in patches we'll be ok
     
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  15. Roquefort Junior

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    Haha, ditto. At a badminton sesh, heard we were 1-0 up... Came back to find we lost 4-1! The ups and downs of Leeds United. Love your signature by the way!
     
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  16. Jerel Ifil

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    There is a very good reason. Because our squad isn't good enough. You can go through the players and point out their virtues one-by-one, but does it have leadership? Does it have experience? Does it have balance and spine and shape? I think the answer is firmly in the "no" direction to all those questions. Look at the better squads in the division - by no coincidence whatsoever the ones that have spent more money than us - and they look a lot better than us in all those departments.

    It's easy to forget that football is a game of TEAMS, not individuals, and the best, most cohesive units are those that get promotion. We already have a good squad spirit, it's just that we lack the resilience to get the results like the best teams can, and that's because they've bought players!

    Promotion costs money, folks.
     
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  17. Josh-LUFC

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    Hey Leeds-18, how much money da reckon Birmingham have spent? I honestly dont know the answer to that question but I reckon i'd have a pretty good idea compared to us

    How much money have ipswich spent, a team who are far worse than us imo

    How much money have bristol city spent, again a team who imo is far worse than us

    How much money have Cardiff spent, they brought in a lot of players but didn't actually spend much money

    Point is, that grayson has had this squad for over 3 years and still has not sorted out vital areas to the team. Instead he brings in players who are unproven because thats all he is capable of doing. A lot of the decision on a player moving is who the manager is and grayson does not draw players in in the same way as Chris Hughton, Sam Allardyce, Nigel Adkins and Paul Lambert. Infact i could go on, you keep talking about the money we are not spending but just think of the amount of money grayson has wasted on wages for **** players and im sure you could come up with a fantastically big figure that is more than capable of bringing in good quality signings. Not only that, Bates has said there is 2m in the bank to spend and i do actually believe him but grayson hasn't spent it. Don't get me wrong, i am behind grayson for this season but im tired of people passing the blame on lack of funding instead of blaming grayson or a poor squad because after all he is the one that says yes and no.

    If my boss was asking me to do a task that was unrealistic due to funding i would say so and have a meeting to discuss how we can either improve funding or get around the issue in some way, If bates still thinks promotion is on the cards then either a) grayson also sees it as possible or b) he hasn't said to bates that he thinks he is being unrealistic

    Start looking at Grayson for a change and stop looking at him with Rose tinted glasses. He is off at the end of the season if he does not get promotion imo and i'd be more than happy to be the one to sack him
     
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  18. Jerel Ifil

    Jerel Ifil Well-Known Member

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    Zigic alone cost six times more than our entire squad. They will be outspending us big time - we're still on a League One budget, don't forget. Southampton, West Ham, Cardiff, all the rest in the top six. All spent more than us in assembling their squads, and all no doubt paying more for wages than we are with Bates' small-time budget of 9-11m.

    Both those have spent high for their standards, but that's irrelevant. It's not an excuse for not spending money. Look at all the top teams and they have spent comparable amounts. Just because other teams are incompetent doesn't mean that the whole notion of paying transfer fees is useless. Success demands money, and that's undeniable. We're not spending enough money, therefore success is unattainable for us.

    They sure will have done on wages. And their team cost about 5m in total, I checked it out the other day. Five times more than ours did.

    What do you expect of a man on a League One budget? Magic?

    I doubt it. Like I say, Bates has given us 9m rising to 11m for the entire season and that's less than we spent in League One. It's the same as Donny and Watford are spending. Grayson's doing a brilliant job with the funding he gets. He doesn't waste money any worse than other managers on a comparable budget.

    Can you give me a link to that? I believe he said he gave Grayson another 2m to spend after the pitiful 9m, which Grayson did then spend. Coincidentally, 2m was about what we received for Schmeichel and Gradel initially.

    I agree he should do that, but maybe he already has. He obviously managed to get this extra 2m, so he's done something on that front. But Bates is the stubborn old **** who is in charge of budgeting, and he simply won't give us enough to get promotion. That's what it boils down to, wasted minor funds aside.

    I'm looking at him with perspective, taking the extenuating circumstances of working for an incompetent **** into consideration. And it's therefore my estimation that he's doing bloody well with the money he's spent on this squad, one of the cheapest in the division.
     
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  19. Josh-LUFC

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    Ok, leeds-18, so players like higginbottom who went to a **** championship club yesterday for free, could we have got him? why the **** not, why we didn't? I cannot understand
    Andrews, he went to another **** championship team at the start of the season on a loan, could we have gotten him then? why the **** not
    He went to a ****ty Prem club yesterday for free, could we have gotten him? why the **** not
    Danns went to Leicester ****ty at the start of the season for free, could we have gotten him? why the **** not
    St. Ledger went to Leicester ****ty at the start of the season for free, could we have gotten him? why the **** not
    Nolan went West Ham at the start of the year, and I reckon that if Sam Allardyce was our manager he woulda come here

    Theres plenty of players out there for free, let alone 500k which we have shown proof of being able to afford.

    Now lets take Brown, Vayrynen, Paynter, Connolly, O'Brien, Bromby, Rachubka, Nunez and Parker. Lets assume an average wage of 5k a week for that lot (its probably more bearing in mind, more likely around 8k) and get rid of them all and its an extra 45k a week in wages or 2.35mil in transfers over the year. Thats why its the managers fault because he brings them in, if we don't bring in these **** ****s then we get to have a good team but no we spend money on these players. If we had that extra 45k a week wages or over 2mil in transfers then we would easily be able to afford lets say andrews, st. ledger and buy keogh which would be our squad set. Then we don't bring in the ridiculously **** O'Dear and bring in a different 'good' loan player instead as well
     
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  20. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Well that's 5 out of 11 classed as **** then, you can't win promotion with 6 players.
     
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