I tthought football was about getting the ball in the onion sack, which we did twice and ye once. Better team won I think, we let you have all that posession in the first half, we pushed up in the second and won the game, how you think united were better and we were lucky is beyond anyone who watched the game. I saw hernandez come on and never saw him after that too, comical keeper, We had calamity james ye have down right dodgy De Gea, whats all this about luck? Talk about carroll, he got an assist, you paid 17m for a under 15s keeper And when do Nani and Rooney do anything at Anfield anyways?
The only reason lfc won is because their fans targeted Evra ( as Suarez did) and rattled him and he was not concentrating when lfc scored. What he suffered was the worst abuse I have seen all season. KK thinks that is banter but the abuse Evra suffered was disgusting
This. To be honest Liverpool did to us what we've done to teams for years. They let us have loads of possession without many clear cut chances, put pressure on and hit us on the break, and took the chances they created. It was a pretty even game, and even tho we dominated possession and looked much smoother and better in our play it doesn't count for **** if you can't score goals. It would obviously have been a different game if Rooney and Nani had been fit, but then you can never say it would have ensured a better result for us. After all, if Nani had been fit he'd have replaced Park, who scored our goal! Besides which, I never like people who bitch about injuries, refs, luck etc. A good team can always overcome all but the worst of luck or refs, and for all our injuries and the problems in CM we still have a strong enough squad with enough quality to beat Liverpool without Rooney and Nani.
What about if you add Lucas and Suarez in. That's what annoys me. Pundits put us down by stating you didn't have Rooney and Nani, City didn't have Yaya and Company. Well what about our top players?
we've beaten utd at anfield with them having nani and rooeny, we drew earleir in the season by conceeding a sloppy goal to let them equalise... in the end we had jamie carrgher in bloody midfield and NO utd fan can say that if they saw that before they were thinking christmas came 11 months early. CARRAGHER.... he was bloody awful so we played with 10 men for 63mins. The minute we put two guys on who could at least run suddenly we took control. sure utd missed great players, but apparently they've the best team in the lague so as kenny says its a squad game. Vidic, jones and ferdinand missed, rooney missed, nani missed... We've misse dplayers in the past and got results, gerrard, torres for just examples... Utd had zero cutting edge up top and just maybe you ought to question why the guy who destroyed carragher to score a hat trick was left on the bench. maybe just maybe utd fans ought to ask why ferguson didn't feel he could go 4-4-2 genuinely and put it up to livrpool why not this team? Lindegard Rafael Smalling evans evra valencia giggs carrick park berbatov wellbeck I'll say why... IMO.... I think ferguson is of the opinion we'd roll over them in midfield... If he'd seen the team sheet we had and realsied that a team with maxi, carragher. a tired gerrard, carroll's legs up top on his own... I mean wow.... ferguson went 4-5-1 to match LFCs obvious tactics that we've been carying on with for the past while. It didn't work and he didn't change it until we took back control and scholes tired. I think utd got handed what they deserved on the day 11 pros v 11 pros and utd did't look like scoring unitl enrique made a bad error (one he's long due making imo)
Agreed. We had lots of possession but lacked any cutting edge. That is what I meant in one of my earlier posts that United is having a strange season. They could play well one match but could also play badly the next against poor teams. there was nothing about the scousers team that would frighten anyone. They sat back and played like an away team. This United team has many weaknesses and is nowhere close to the likes of Barcelona or even Madrid yet it is not inconceivable that we could end up premiership champions again. This could be the silver lining in yesterday's cloud.
But Lucas and Suarez are long term absentees, and your manager has had a fair bit of time to plan and prepare for them being absent. Much like Vidic and Fletcher for us. We didn't really have much chance to prepare for losing Rooney and Nani. Besides which, you guys actually seem to have been playing better without Suarez - you may not have all the possession and pretty passing you had when he was around but you have a much better approach and cutting edge and much fewer chances are going begging.
This is very true, if city mess up you could win this league. that says it all about this league IMO. Chelsea are a done deal, arsenal are awful compated to 2004 and for me the clear evidecne is in 2008 or so enlgand could boast dominance i neurope.. now we're also rans. The fact is city have tevez disaster zone, miss yaya, missed richard, silva etc so its even for me in injuries. Utd can win the league for sure. If you get players fit and keep them fit you can certainly go do it. for me it's far beeter to be realists so saying you are nowhere near real and barca is just that. Its the same as saying I know my team are nowhere near whre it needs to be either but hey we can still acheive some things too.
Aye, but that's the great thing about the CL being a knockout competition (yes, if you get out the group stage before some smart arse says so ). Just like the CL and FA Cup - you guys are nowhere near City or Utd but managed to knock both of us out on the day. And it's nowhere near even in injuries between us and City - you forget Vidic and Fletcher are both out for the season, Silva hasn't missed a single league game this season, and City knew the Toures would be going to the ACON when they signed them. Not an excuse, just a fact.
swarbs... ermm... long term? suarez is out for less than a month and oh... the transfer window only opened this month. come on! If you've only two good players somehow.. thats like accusing us of being a two man team with gerrard and torres... yet we managed to play you and win without them a couple of times. You lost two guys.. you should be able to put a team together a week later... berbatov again... why not, he destroyed carragher a year ago. did'nt you guys have all of the transfer window too but only have scholes in there and thats why you ent 5 in midfield? I think you just played badly, when you had the ball in your half and on the half way line we let you have it... maxi and carragher were totally awful with no legs at all and to be frank you should have handed us our heads there... good patient possession, you probed but you never got in really. Oh and in case you forgot we worked like dogs against city in midweek which you didn't need to do, we couldn't play bellamy.. henderson looked tired for the first time and is a young guy being played 100% of the time... all in all i will stay with the opinion that both teams had 11 pros out there who were capable of more, we had no legs yet you couldn't get through and after 63mins we came out of our shells and righted the mistakes we made and took over a bit. I was begging for subs at half time and was convinced utd would break through to be frank, but no real clear chances were missed were they?
United is a club that should be able to compete on several fronts. yet this season, with the team that we have, it has proved unrealistic. If we had to target one trophy, then it had to be the premiership title. Thank goodness we are still in it. With the injuries that we have had and the poverty of the replacements, that FA cup exit could well prove a silver lining. I did say earlier that keeping all the key players free of injuries was more important than a win. I am also surprised at how poor the scousers were and how close we came to a result.
you are right CL has a league format up to this point. you come up against fairly average european sides as no 1 seeds... that don't matter. what matters is it is very very obviously LFC can't score goals and have trhown bags of points away... our record is good defense, can't score.. So why not back yourselves with two forwards. vidic = kompany right now for 4 matches. i'm lining up the best two players kolo was out for taking some diet stuff there you go Richards has been in and out silva was missing yaya is out now teviez is a sore on thier team morale bad on telly is shooting himself in the foot mostly fine you missed nanai and rooeny for a couple of games right now.... I can't accept you miss fletcher as he hardly played last year either.... cleverly is out, i'd accept that, anderson is out, i'd accept that but you had carrick who I've heard guys defending a lot, you had scholes back and giggs and park whos given fine servie in the past. Vidic is a big loss, we missed agger most of last year! We know how vital he is. You missed jones too but rafael came back. All in all.... lets play the realist card.. If city get back to the form that got them 45points in 19games and finish on 90 points... do you think utd can keep up with them? I think you need their forwards to continue to misfire and thier defense to leak.... we'll see but this is traditionally when utd get better and better as the season gets serious.
Suarez has been out for four weeks already - that's long term in training terms. Plenty of time for you guys to develop a game plan that doesn't involve Suarez and get all your squad used to playing without him. But we only had six days to get our team used to playing without Rooney, Nani and Jones, and they are three of our four players with the most appearances this season so they would obviously be the ones it's hardest to get the team used to playing without. Oh I completely agree with you there - like I said, you guys soaked up the pressure, took your chances and earned the victory. Losing Rooney, Nani and Jones is not an excuse for losing, but there's no way you can compare the impact of losing Suarez a month ago with the impact of losing those three six days before the game. Well the Valencia one was but a whisker away, and if Danny Welbeck was a bit more experienced or "continental" (read more of a **** ) he'd probably have gone over Reina when clear through on goal and got your keeper sent off. I reckon had it been Rooney, Suarez, Ronaldo, Gerrard or pretty much any experienced player on the end of that ball he'd have flicked it towards the goal and then not tried to dodge the keeper, that way if the ball doesn't go in then the keeper walks cos he's stopped the striker beating the defender to the ball. But then that's the nature of football, and tbh I'm glad Danny's such an honest lad what with the number of ****s in the game nowadays
christian I held my head in my hands when the team sheet came out. We made a huge error in team selection and dalglish admitted it. How we targetted your keeper and scored was great but i knew you'd play scholes and honestly with hiim in there we needed to just snap about his heels and blow him off the park... i even heard utd fans talking about him getting sent off before the game! neither side played well but we scraped through... we can improve A LOT on that performance.... I just think had ferguson been the one to make the changes first yuo could have won it.
again we lost players i nthe past on the day of a game with utd (see hyppia out right back) we had trres and gerrard out etc... 6 days to cope without nani and rooeny? I thought valencia stepped up again and continued his fine form and just needed berbatov in the box... welbeck could have done with him too. welbeck? well... reina didn't actually make any contact soo..... good chance there for sure... didn't score
Good question. I can only assume that with no Nani or Young, SAF realised we'd need to dominate CM in order to win. Which we did, but then that took away our ability to get in behind your defence, particularly with Carragher in the DM role. But then again, like you say Liverpool have struggled for goals this season and Utd's defence is shot to **** with injuries, so why not back yourselves with two up front? Playing a 4-1-4-1 at home with a CB in the holding roles is not what you expect from Liverpool. Maybe SAF was expecting you to come at us some more and not sit and defend for two thirds of the game? Yes, right now its even, but the league is not being decided right now. The league will be decided in March when Kompany will be fine and Vidic will still be crocked. So have Smalling, Rafael and Fabio. In fact, all three of them have been out far more than Richards. Only for the cups. He's played every league game, and the league is what matters. So are Ando and Cleverley. And have been out for way longer than Yaya. Not really - he's in Argentina and is banned from coming onto club premises. He might as well have been sold from the point of view of the dressing room. That's their own fault for signing the fool! And Rio, Anderson, Young, Fletcher, Vidic, Jones and Cleverley. City haven't had a single long term injury (longer than a month) all season - we have five of them right now! But he was expected to return, and played 25 games last season so it's not like he hardly played at all. And does that mean you won't miss Agger if he gets a long term injury cos he was out most of last season? Of course it doesn't! Exactly - we have to rely on Carrick, who is good but not that great, and have had to bring Scholes out of retirement cos Cleverley and Ando, who tore City to pieces in the CS and embarrassed Spurs, Arsenal and Bolton back in August, are both injured and have been for the vast majority of the season. So we have been playing with our second choice CM most of the season, and that was already our weakest area! We probably couldn't keep up, but if Utd get back to the form that got us 20 points from eight games and finished on 91 points do you think City would keep up with us? It's all up in the air at the moment, but City are obviously favourites what with their three point lead and being the only club in the PL with absolutely no injuries right now.
