I know arsenal fans are frustrated but for those calling for wengers head I have just one question...who will take over? No...not who do you want to take over but who will? Pepe G...really? He'll leave Barca why? The only serious reason is because he needs a new challenge but Barca spent a huge amount, particularly on wages so would he be able to do the samejobatarsenal with way less money. Jose M...he did build porto on a relative shoe string but since then has spent colossal amounts so would he accept the limitations on money...and he doesnt seem to stick around long...and would you tolerate his style for long. other top managers could fear be on a hiding to nothing...theyd be forever compared to wenger if things werent great...and would wanta sizeable transfer fund which could be a huge problem I honestly think you are better off grooming someone to take over .... the alternative to being patient could be awful.
Unfortunately the answer to this question is always rather similar to the calls for new player signings. Either pie in the sky dreams of managers that aren't available or would cost too much to buy out of their existing contracts. Or you get the "Anyone would be better philosopy" assuming that it is Wenger who sets the transfer and wages budget.
Ammaar, pep has said he wants to find a new challenge at the end of the season, if wenger were to leave then I'd consider him the favourite!
I posted this in another thread but its also relevant here... What if we get a new manager and the board dont give them a decent transfer budget? They may expect the next person to come in to work on the same budget as Mr. Wenger did. The truth is there's nobody else out there that could consistently get Champions league football while making a profit on transfer dealings. We have to STOP selling our best players - this is where i honestly believe the heart of our recent troubles lie. Who is to blame for this? Well I dont know for sure but from listening to Wenger's commenst it seems it's mainly been the board. They get an offer for a player that appeals .. and they cash in. (Wenger constantly stated that he did'nt want to sell Fabregas and Nasri.) It seems to me the situation is this: 1. Wenger does not want to buy 'big name' or 'big money' transfer's, He believes the key is signing and producing youth. 2. We sell an established player. 3. Rather than buying an immediate replacement we wait for one to come through our youth system. 4. We sell and established player. ..and the cycle continues. In the six/seven years since we last won a trophy we've been close to winning the league twice and exceedingly close to winning both the Champions league and Carling Cup. (all of those squads were just 1-2 top players short) If we stop selling our top players Wenger will deliver success again.
Spot on Wenger is the reason we've had Champions League football for the last 6-7 years despite the club selling our best players. I honestly think that we might already have dropped out of the Top 4 if Wenger wasn't at Arsenal. I sincerely hope that the board back him with some cash to invest in the squad, as I still think that Wenger has got a lot to offer.
Ummmnnn...... pass If he does I think he would be great. Like you, not my choice either although I did say in another thread when I was looking back over this past year that I might be tempted with anyone who would get us back to winning ways again. I thought The Special One had a good relationship with his own players. But you're right, he is arrogant and much too controversial. It would be a headache having him around and my dad detests him LOL. As you know I like Guus Hiddinck too but he is already fixed up, isn't he? Mind you who knows what could happen down the line. I too wish we could see the backs of H-W and Gazidis and add Kroenke to the list too. I can't see that he means to revamp us and take us back to our glory days. More like, line his pockets or strengthen his corporate empire. At least Mr U who is reportedly a fan, will invest in us. Whoever comes in after Arsene will have to have a strong budget with which to revitalise the team. Mr Kroenke won't be dipping into his pockets.
Two ideal scenarios for me. The first would be if Wenger stayed and was given PROPER MONEY to buy a few class players to strengthen the squad. Also maybe go back to some of his OLD WAYS from the invincibles era of football. Maybe that could be a PLAN B? The second would be bringing in Pep Guardiola and giving him a decent budget to bring in players. I think he would attract some decent players, especialy from Spain (Barca) who would show more loyalty. Pep is already a legend and a much respected manager. Other than them, i would opt for Hiddink but again, he needs a budget to bring in reinforcements. I think the key word here is MONEY!
It would be quite an ideal Mr 20K. Then all things being well and equal we may eventually be able to give Arsene a well-deserved send off when he finally retires. Arsene will have much on his plate though, especially to do a u-turn and I imagine your ideal scenario would have Arsene institute a Plan B in all our games too....... I am very much warming to the idea of Pep G. Some months back I thought this was in the realms of wishful thinking but he would be a tonic for the club. As in the first scenario though, much would depend on how much cash is forthcoming from this board. Perhaps you may wish to build in a third ideal scenario - the entry of Mr U? Agree on all counts Cheers friend
Thanks. I think we are becoming a little stale of recent and dearly need a shake up. Pep Guardiola is a class manager and has created a nearly unstoppable team. To come up against great managers like SAF and Mourinho and simply blow them away is a true credit to him. Yes he has some top quality players at his disposal but you still have to know what to do with them. Just look at Man City's team last night, it was superior in almost every department to Liverpools yet it still struggled and lost. My ideal footballing scenario for next year would be if Wenger goes to Real Madrid, we get Pep Guardiola, Mourinho goes to Man City, Hiddink goes to Chelsea and Boas goes to Liverpool. Perfect!
Hiddink, Benitez, Mourinho (if he leaves), Guardiola, (if he leaves), Rogers, Lambert and even though I don't think it will work O'Neill. So basically I think there are lots of manager who could do a good job for us, the world will not end when Wenger leaves.
Wenger has proved that he is a good manager especially at the beginning of his time at Arsenal but the last 6 seasons have been totally crap. Ok, so we get Champions league football every season usually making it to the quarter finals or better. That's great for our finances but not for us ordinary fans. We want to see Arsenal compete with the best in world football and win. We were the UNTOUCHABLES once but now we are losing games that we should easily be winning, and it's not only this season. If that's down to Wengers transfer policy or to his tactics then it's obvious that it's not working and something has to change. If it's down to him then it looks like he won't change so he should think about moving on. On the other hand, if it's down to the Arsenal board and owners then they should fcuk off somewhere else!
That is probably why we are going backwards. Poor Arsene is feeling a tad stale. No disrespect intended to him since even those of us who feel he should go are very much indebted to him for the good that has come out of the last 15 years. However we are going backwards and in the absence of change, this will not reverse. If anything he will dig his heels deeper. It happens when one, though not all, gets to a certain time in life. Just an observation. PG of course has a lot of good players and Barca claimed to be broke when settling the account on the sale of Fabregas. But you are right, he has turned them into a winning team. How long it will last should he stay on is not known since no one stays at the top forever. Like Chelsea, City too will have the limelight and endure the agony as last evening. Mancini bought too many and too quickly, like going into Hamley's and buying all the toys one sees. Priceless, isn't it?!!!! So it is taxi for Mr Boas then? LOL Oh gawd do we have to have the special one back in England? I'd like to see Pep with us ( with of course, money to spend ) and Guus with Blues. Should be big time action. Wish we could enjoy Guus being with us at same point as well but one can't have everything.
I actually like Mourinho and i think he brings added spice to any footballing league. I don't think Boas is suited to someone like Chelsea who demand instant success. He needs time to build his own team and a place like Liverpool who are willing to stand by their manager, is the best place for him. Hiddink is perfect for Chelsea as he'll work with whatever is on offer and optimise it. He has the experience to make things work quickly. Pep has the style of play that is already simular to ours but will make things better. He will improve basic things such as closing down, harrying and minimising mistakes. I can see the Arsenal players develop more passion with Pep around. I think this would make the premier league more competitive
Well the special one will spice the place up alright and probably someone a lot of people would love to hate too Mr Abramovich does indeed think his money can buy anything instantly. By that same count, do you think Mr Boas's taxi might find the journey to N5 just as suitable too? We here have held onto our manager quite a length of time. Would he work in an environment like ours? I still think we are more likely to achieve instant gratification with Pep though. Yup, sounds like he would do fine for us too I agree with everything about Pep in particular minimising on our errors and deficiencies. I'm really astonished Arsene let this slip or perhaps not since he has only his somewhat inflexible approach. Good talking Mr 20K
I think Boas would suit us too. We wouldn't place too much pressure on him and allow him to grow into the job. The problem with Wenger is instead of strictly focusing on football, he has got himself involved in too many sides of Arsenal football club eg. the transfers, day-to-day runnings etc. Maybe he is too much of a purist which blinds him to the mistakes and errors that occur with the team? As for Pep, Arsenal is ready made for him. He has stated on a few occasions that he would be up for a new challenge, so why not us? He has won everything with Barca and he is in a league that only really contains one other team that can challenge their domination. At least with the premier league, we have Man City, Man U, Spurs and Liverpool who can all beat each other on any given day.....
As much as I am a fan of Wenger i would be more than happy to see pep take over. The guy has already won more than most top managers acheive in their whole careers.
I imagine we have all waited such a long time for silverware that time may not be afforded Mr Boas. If he is given the means to shape his own team then success may certainly be possible within the short term Again, I think he has become entrapped by his own natural aging process. At 71 some have a tendency to believe they know everything and that their views are valid in every field and department. I say this having experience of working with older folk. It now makes me even more certain that I voted in the Wenger In/Out thread with compelling justification. Sad but that's the way it has turned out. He would swiftly get us into a winning position, something a younger Arsene might well have done too. Cheers again
be careful for what we wish for, it's not like our current predicament with Wenger is any good, we are most likely going to drop out of the top 4 this year, 7 years with no trophy, and the list goes on. so in actuality, indeed, be careful for what you wish for, that sounds more correct for those banking on Wenger as the reality shows a very very bad outcome.
