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Thursday 26 January Daily Thread

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by ROTO, Jan 25, 2012.

  1. halpins1

    halpins1 Member

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    Morning Gents

    Going for Previs in the 515 at Meydan purely on the combo of Moore and Cumani, currently 3/1

    Off topic I know but a couple of interesting prices in the PGA Tour, Farmers Insurance Open, going with an e/w bet on Anthony Kim and Justin Rose both 40/1

    Good luck today
     
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  2. NassauBoard

    NassauBoard Well-Known Member

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    You can find them easily if you do the research.
     
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  3. brickyard

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    Rubbish
     
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  4. NassauBoard

    NassauBoard Well-Known Member

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    type Pricewise into google. Not hard to do is it old bean? I remember an old poster who was from York, cracking lass she was <laugh>
     
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  5. gazboy

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    Nass/Brickyard Im getting confused over your bickering!
    Nass you laugh at Brickyard for posting a suggested bet at 1.2 then highlight Pricewise who gets a return at 1.2!

    So in essence is 1.2 a fair return or not? I would gladly take home 120% of my fiver a day!

    In fact Id gladly take home any percentage!
     
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  6. brickyard

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    I'll take that as one to me, old chap, you don't know do you, can we move on, I am right, you are wrong, or is that to hard to bear.
     
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  7. brickyard

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    Here are my three selections for today, 14-45 ALLANARD, 13-55 AMROTH BAY, 17-35 ASHDOWN LAD. Good luck.
     
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  8. Grizzly

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    Where are our Bumper experts ?

    This Warwick 4.25 gets my interest today - looks an above average heat as well.
    Henderson sends his unraced Key to the West to this, and Nicholls his unraced Whiskey Yankee.

    Tissue prices had them around 2s or slightly bigger the pair, I see the price on Hendersons has collapsed and is trading a shades of odds odd and Nicholls charge is out to around 6s, that has to tell me plenty about their chances and if evens appears on Hendersons it will be a play for me.

    Sounds very dismissive of the others of course, Lavelle, Williams and Webber all have promising runners in this...
     
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  9. NassauBoard

    NassauBoard Well-Known Member

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    Gaz, backing two short priced horses in one race to place isn't a route I would rather leave to others, 20% ROI is fair enough over a long period but when the maximum ROI you can get from each bet is 20%, you would have to have a 100% strike rate to get a 20% ROI in the long term, and as we all know, horses are not machines and short priced horses do not always run to the form they have in the book.

    The difference between Pricewise and backing short priced horses for 20% ROI is that Pricewise doesn't need a massive winning percentage to get a good ROI percentage, and he has proved consistently that he can pick longer priced horses (which if you get on at early prices would give a much bigger ROI) to win races.

    Also you misread, I laughed at Brickyard for suggesting Pricewise was making a loss but in fact he was making more profit ROI in a year than the bet suggested by that poster.
     
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  10. NassauBoard

    NassauBoard Well-Known Member

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    http://tipsterform.com/tom-segal-pricewise/ for some of the stats, other website was put up last weekend if I recall.
     
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  11. Quelesprit

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    I agree that she's been the more impressive horse this year of the two. She's wiped the floor with pretty much every horse she's run against. Usually in small field races where there was absolutely no chance horses like Mourad could win (he needs the end to end gallop whereas she is happy to sit in off a slow pace and burn them all off - which she's done twice this year). I backed her both times for very good bets for me and can see how good she is. However, Mourad didn't run anywhere near his rating because the race conditions didn't allow him to whereas VLV probably did.

    I'm not saying that Zaidpour is a cert (far from it) but at the prices I can't be having VLV when I can back Zaidpour at 7/4 (as of 10am) in a race where they have a roughly an equal chance of winning.
     
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  12. Bluesky9

    Bluesky9 Philosopher

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    Two horses to flag up at kempton in the late afternoon meeting

    Sabys Gem 5-1 M.Wigham
    This horse should be any price you like and yet is 5-1, it is trained by Michael Wigham and is being upped in trip to a mile for the first time which indicates today could be the day. In my opinion if they are going for a punt they must feel it has a large amount in hand as it has a bad draw to contend with. It is ridden by Jim Crowley however who is a jockey i am warming to of late so i think he may manage to overcome that obstacle over a mile.

    Earlsmedic 7-1
    A great value price that i feel will have gone by the time they enter the stalls. This horse is back over 6f which he prefers and with a reasonable draw can get his head in front again.
     
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  13. the don

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    Nass, those return figures I assume are based on the prices when he puts them up. I would argue that on average the price on his selections contracts by about 20% before any punters can get their money down, therefore returns are much lower in reality for those that follow.
     
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  14. NassauBoard

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    Don, nope that is SP on betfair
     
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  15. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
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    Grizzly, whilst I do not consider myself a bumper expert, I was having a good look at the race last night. Both the Henderson and Nicholls runners are beautifully bred. Key To The West, in particular, is related to the likes of Australia Day, Starluck and Mamlook through the Dam Sire, although his sire Westerner is yet to set the hunt scene alight. Whisky Yankee is classical jumps stock, by Presenting out of a Strong Gale mare, and I'm sure Dai Williams wouldn't buy rubbish. But the one that caught my eye at slightly more rewarding odds was Don Cantillon's Avrumi. By Kayf Tara out of a Henbit mare he looks to have a decent mix of speed and stamina and 2 miles on GD/Soft could be right up his street. Worth a small e/w nibble I reckon <ok>
     
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  16. NTD is the man

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    I have done a mixed stake e/w Yankee today 30p doubles, 55p trebles and a pound roll up .
    Horses I've done r;
    2.25 Warwick pause and clause 14/1
    1.15 Newcastle papamoa 20/1
    2.45 newcastle fubula 7/1
    3.05 gowran shakervitz 9/1
    If those babies come in ill be amazed lol
     
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  17. Grizzly

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    Good info - thanks Oddy.
    10/1 in a warm heat suggests a few like his chances.
    There's been a move for Emma Lavelle's Hurricane Henry as well, around 11/2, in hindsight this might be a race to record and watch back a few times and find some future winners....
     
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  18. redcgull

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    Oddy - Dick Barry's magic...

    Left Handed hankerchiefs...<laugh><laugh><laugh>

    Great way to start the day, with a laugh...!!!
     
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  19. heisenburg

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    the boy voy gets 2 in the frame today.

    Micro Mission

    Phoenix Lady

    Glee wins the biggie on Allanard

    and Hughsey get Vosges home as a winner

    Stay Frosty
     
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  20. rainbowview

    rainbowview Well-Known Member

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    Odddy sorry but to say Zaidpour has beaten "poor horses" is a terrible statement. 140 + horses are not poor (Prima Vista, Powerstation they are solid horses who I bet you would love to own).As a novice he was just behind First Lieutenant and in front of Hidden Cyclone 12 lengths in front of a 136 horse in the Royal Bond on the birdle and 5 and a half lengths behind Oscars Well clearly shaping like a stayer. His only poor run so far has been Cheltenham and I don't think he was right.

    Btw I agree VLV defs deserves to be fav. I am really looking forward to finding out how good Zaidpour is though have backed him E.W for World Hurdle at 25s a stand out price with Victor Chandler.
     
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