WhittlingStick - fair point about Liverpool. Hopefully with the Siemens etc developments it will be 'our turn' and we will finally fulfill our potential as a city. As far as L**ds is concerned, lets hope the financial sector goes t*ts up, all the newbies from the south go back home and Leeds goes back to being a ready made suit town or at least the modern equivalent of !
It's the second time he's done an article like this and all the same points were explained to him last time. He's not going to convince anyone on here about the validity of these statistics, maybe he's just trying to convince himself.
i wonder how much effort the local and more regional media will put into disproving the validity of these statistics? I think we all know the answer!
Not saying Hull is a bad place, I've been a couple of times and thought it's OK and know a couple of people from there who are fond of the place, but I'd say in any aspect bar personal preference (so, any measurable one) Leeds is the "better" city, but it doesn't mean Hull, or at least the immediately surrounding areas, is as bad as suggested. Where Leeds really tops Hull is the city centre, Hull has a nice train station, but from there let's say it's a bit of a disappointment.
I don't think anyone would argue that the Leeds has far better shopping etc, but this report's got nothing to do with the quality of shopping or restaurants, it's just a load of inaccurate nonsense about employment and earnings.
Nice to see York comes out of this well. Obviously this is York before the Hull fans turn up and smash up the odd pub and abuse the tourists and shoppers! Don't you just love these friendlies. http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/8278230.Rioting_Hull_City_fans_barricade_themselves_in_York_city_centre_pub/
"She said York had played pre-season matches against teams such as Leeds United before without any such incidents."
I don't understand the point you're trying to make. That East Riding is an affluent area? I agree. Fact is, many of those high-earning workers have no relation to Hull and may well travel to Leeds and York to work. The overwhelming pattern is that Hull has a poor economy. I never said it's a bad place. But honestly tell me that including the suburbs which you say are overlooked would change, say, business start up rates. No-one's starting up businesses in Cottingham or wherever has been supposedly ignored. Likewise, places like Wetherby in Leeds are hardly hubs of business innovation. It's just that Hull as a city isn't producing enough businesses and isn't producing enough jobs. Even in Leeds' poor areas, there's still a good comparative rate of employment. Again, one or two suburbs procluded will not majorly alter the facts that Hull is a massive benefit claimant city with high unemployment. If you're really trying to brush these issues aside with border disputes, I think you're ignoring a major problem in your city. Yes, it's still a relatively nice place in the world, but not in England or the UK, and its economy needs stimulating. Why should it include mobility of labour? It's the centre for CITIES and analyses life in the UK's urban areas, not outside them. But as it happens, its stats for business stocks and business start-ups are still relevant to those who live in Hull's catchment area since they'd most likely start a business in the city. And it's not happening nearly enough for Hull to be back on track again. Norwich is geographically isolated and it's up there with York and Cambridge for nicest places to live. It also has an excellent employment rate. Good luck with that. I also wasn't hugely keen on Cambridge when I went, but you're obviously going to be biased as someone from Hull. I love going back to Leeds whenever I do, even passing through areas like Seacroft on the train which are nothing special. That's how react to the notion of home. And yes, I'd have posted this regardless. I think it gives an interesting snippet into city life around the UK and shows how we're doing as a region and as sub-regions. Nope. Did I ever say 'X city is better than Y' of course I didn't. Did I start the thread for that purpose? No. It's just that a lot of Hull fans took it that way and came in with the confusing arguments that Hull overall is a nice place, but also that the nice bits were left out which suggests the majority of it - as reported in this Outlook document - is not a nice area. So I take the point about employment and earnings, but I'm still waiting for the admission that Hull's economy is UNDERPERFORMING and that it has a large core of among the worst areas in the UK, whether you include the suburbs or not. I'll happily admit that there are bad parts of Leeds, but relatively speaking, they are still decent places.
No wonder the people of Leeds wants nothing to do with the Football Club. They obviously see the 'fans' for what they are. Why people not from Leeds would even bother to try this failed argument ios lost on me. It's clearly just part of the little fans obsession with Gods own acres aka the City and County of Kingston upon the River Hull. Do we have a clown smiley icon? I can't even be bothered to look.
Ah, I see my old friend Ill Ducky is in a playful mood today! Must be Giro day in Leeds, or, did TWS win at the week-end (or is it both)?
Must be Giro day in Leeds Why would that be any interest to me? As for Trimley Welding Services not sure how they got on!
Just off to pick up my slip now before spending it on mind-blowing opiates, Bauhaus chairs and colonic irrigation. The holy trinity. And DMD, when in doubt, don't argue with the other person's points. Good one.
Can't talk now, I'm busy working on a cross board post on the level of gun crime in Yorkshire cities.
I've already argued your 'points' in this thread and others. Your 'points' remain clueless bollocks for the braindead. That Bates out protest seems to be working doesn't it? Don't you have any Brown envelopes left over fronm Revie? You could slip him a couple of bob and see if that works. Just a thought like. Why not canvass the people of Leeds to see what their view is? I reckon they'd be glad to see the back of the football and the deluded village people it attracts.
