I'm sure B teams have been discussed on an old thread somewhere, but I couldn't be bothered to find it, so I thought I'd start a new one to reopen a can of worms. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/131971.html Don't like the idea myself, but it's something worth talking about with Saints not playing until Monday.
I don't think they'll introduce it here, because we are English and we don't need people telling us what to do to our game (that'll be the attitude portrayed by the powers that be). It works in other countries, which is why he has raised it as an idea. I have no idea if it could work here or not. It might be good for young English players at top clubs not getting a game. I listened very briefly admittedly, to Andy Gray and Richard Keys on Talk Sport on this topic earlier. When Gray was asked could it work, he said "No!" That was it. No um, er, or maybe. Just a "No" and that I think would be the attitude of most people established within our leagues. If it is a serious option, then some sensible discussions should be had before dismissing it out of hand.
It was my initial thread and it received a lot of negative posts along with a minority of unnecessary abuse. Partly the reason why I don't post on here much anymore.
I understand what he is talking about but there is a cultural difference here. All clubs are loved by their own fans here (however few that is). Does he intend that Chelsea should buy a lower league club (which is against the rules here) or start a new one. If the latter, they should have to come through from non-league..in which case he would have to wait a few years to get them up to the Championship. Then what happens if Chelsea B gets promoted to the PL. Many Championship clubs have been in the PL and shouldn't be treated with such disrespect..we are not feeder clubs nor likely to become one. If he's concerned about how few youngsters come through to his first team...take a look at Saints academy. We'd have had lots of players making it through over the years if we hadn't had to sell them because of financial problems. Big team arrogance.
Yeah like most of you I'm strongly against this idea. Every club in the football league pyramid has a rich history and tradition (well, apart from MK Dons perhaps) and the idea of displacing any of those to make room for a Chelsea B team is thoroughly unpleasant. The reserves/loan system is good enough.
Andy Gray? Is that you? No consideration then? no progress? I'm not saying yes, but a flat "No" without any discussion, debate or reasoning is about what I'd expect from people running our leagues. We'll re-introduce the back pass next!
Most football fans in this country are capable of running this idea across their minds, weighing all the pros and cons, giving it due consideration and recognising the idea as crap in 10 sec. This may come across as a flat rejection to some
For goodness sake toughen up son. Everyone on here who comes over as hard is a 9 year old pimpley faced boy playing on his computer in his bedroom and as for me I would have to ask some one to hold my glasses, walking stick and take out my hearing aid before I even thought of pretending to be hard. Mind you if someone took away my waliking stick I would fall over. Getting back to YOU - go ahead and say just what you want to say and what you think and blow what the cyber bullies have to say about it.
So whose B team would you want us to be. Or let us put it another way whose B team would you not want us to be. I don't want us to be anyone's B team and that is probably how every other football fan in the country feels about it. Let us say overnight we became Arsenal's B team (we're as near as dam it already but never mind) would you still love the Saints as much as you do now knowing that all the good players you are watching will be off to play for them in the future and know that your club will only ever be the B team. NO BLOODY THANK YOU.
As people have said B teams would end hurting other less rich teams. Look at man city their second team is a prem team by itself. This in turn would end up relegating poorer teams, causing more teams to go out off business. I'd rather stick to how are leagues are atm.
No, not a good idea if you ask me. I don't think reserve teams should have the right to play in leagues ahead of actual, established teams. I believe football should be for the supporters - we're the income, we're the ones who care most. 25k fans or 11 players? I know which I think deserves priority. With this in mind I'd say putting reserve teams in (0 fans because who is gonna support Man City's reserves when you can watch Aguero and Silva?!) ahead of actual teams (even teams like Aldershot and Dag&Red who don't have 25k people attending games) is unfair. Young players get competitive football at reserve level and out on loan, they don't need to take priority over older players who play football full time for a living and may be unable to should their team get relegated to non-league. I understand the B team system doesn't stop people getting promoted (well, from Championship to PL anyway, it still blocks places for third division teams) but they still need to take someone's place in the league.
Being a bear of little brain it took me a while to get this. Now I have, it stinks. Crewe had a little dalliance with being Liverpool's nursery and it lasted a very short time. Crewe fans were quite used to seeing their best players speed off to richer clubs, but the idea that if a young player showed promise he'd be whipped off to Anfield really stuck in the craw. What is certainly true is that there is something wrong with the structure when the only way kids and out of favour pros can get a game is by playing for another club. But it needs a bit of lateral thinking, and taking this idea off the shelf isn't the answer. Unfortunately it will require a level of thinking and cooperation that we never see in the upper tiers of the game's management.
Why should a Chelsea B or Tottenham B team have more of a right to be in the Football League than some of the many former Football League teams in the Conference? Not to mention, unless the league is expanded, they'll have to relegate more teams than usual from League 2 so the B teams can fit in.
If all the PL had feeder teams they'd take up the Championship. The Championship and other leagues are good competitions...this would just ruin it. How can you love a B team and would you go and watch.
What an idiot AVB is,really. I thought he was gonna do well at Chelsea at first,I thought he was a fair minded,astute and smart individual,how wrong I was...Well I was right,he was like this but he has changed a lot because he can't handle the premier league,he is totally out of his depth in England.The players don't like him and a lot of fans are losing their patience with the constant nonsense that comes out of his mouth. He came from the superliga(mickey mouse league) and he thought he could win the premier league easy peasy?how wrong he was.... Always complaining,always moaning.He complained about the number of games that we play during the festive period and now this?? Hang on a minute,he came over to England because he wanted to,no one forced him to emigrate!Stop complaining about petty things.If you don't like how things are done in England then go back to Portugal and work for a slimy old man who bribes refs and feeds his players with steroids. England is not continental Europe or Portugal for that matter,in Portugal where 99% of people are glory hunters as they support the "top 3" clubs(Benfica,Porto and Sporting) that leaves the other clubs with virtually no support.This will never work.This could maybe work in League 2 and conference but in the championship? AVB,you need a good smack around your ears,coming out with daft ideas all the times.I don't like him anymore,I've lost all respect for him.Go back to Portugal or in Portuguese:Volta pra Portugal,filho da puta!! Rant over .
It would be disasterous to so fundamentally change the system. Every PL and many Championship teams have the same problem. They produce young talent, but players don't tend to be ready for the first team until 20-21. They end up with a lot of 18-21 year old players not playing competitive football. The loan system is there to give those players experience. I don't know the details of how it works, if AVB was calling for it to be more accessible, I might have some sympathy with him. B teams won't work because of the volume of support and history that exists down the pyramid. The league teams are the foundation of English football and that needs to be embraced.
