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Fan's Generic Anti-Western, Religion and Politics Thread

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by thefanwithnoname, Dec 21, 2011.

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should this generic thread stay

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  1. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    No conspiracy here. His innonence is one of the world's worst kept secrets. But you just like to take the opposite view of my own for the saje of it. For you the fact he is a Libyan muslim is probably enough to convict him.
     
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  2. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    I'll shed no tears for the ****, even if he was not guilty, he was one of Ghaddafi's secret service, a vicious bunch of murdering torturers so I hope he dies a nice slow lingering death.

    Jim Swire thinks he's innocent, plenty of other relatives think he's as gulity as sin, and as he was convicted of the crime I see no reason to suspect he was totally innocent.

    **** him.
     
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  3. Jesus Was A Geordie

    Jesus Was A Geordie Well-Known Member

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    au contraire

    please log in to view this image
     
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  4. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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  5. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    But Jim Swires views count more because he's pure Scottish so he is
     
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  6. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    THE new Libyan Government has admitted for the first time that Abdelbasset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi was involved in the Lockerbie bombing, which claimed the lives of 270 people.

    Ashour Shamis, adviser to the country's Prime Minister Abdurrahim al Keib, scotched the theory the only man convicted of the atrocity was the victim of a miscarriage of justice.

    Mr Shamis claimed that, as a security adviser to Colonel Gaddafi, Megrahi would have had a part to play.
    While the new Government in Libya has maintained Gaddafi executed the terror attack, it has never before pinpointed the involvement of Megrahi.
    Mr Shamis made the admission to Dr Jim Swire during a trip to Tripoli which was filmed for a documentary to be screened tonight on STV.

    Dr Swire, 75 – whose daughter Flora died in the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 in 1988 – has long believed in the convicted bomber's innocence and he told filmmakers of the guilt he feels for pressing Libya to hand Megrahi over to stand trial.

    He went to Libya to continue his search for the full truth behind Lockerbie and to say goodbye to Megrahi, who is suffering from terminal prostate cancer.
    As his fact-finding mission unfolded in Tripoli, he met Mr Shamis after being granted an interview with the Government.

    Mr Shamis said: "As far as the Libyans are concerned, the Gaddafi regime, Gaddafi personally, are involved in planning and executing this atrocity.
    "There is no doubt about it They are involved. The regime are involved."

    He said Gaddafi's payment of compensation to victims was proof the despot, who was killed in the rebel uprising in October, was behind the terror attack.
    Backers of Gaddafi have always maintained the money was paid to force the lifting of UN sanctions against Libya.

    Crucially, Mr Shamis added that Megrahi was involved in the bombing even if "he was only a small player". He said: "Megrahi is an employee of Libyan security, there is no doubt about it – of external security. And if he was told to do something he would have done it."

    Megrahi was convicted of the mass murder in 2001 and spent eight years in a Scottish prison before being released from HMP Greenock due to his diagnosis of terminal prostate cancer.

    Despite being given three months to live at the time of his release, he is still alive in his family compound in Tripoli.

    Megrahi forfeited his appeal against conviction by choosing to return home on compassionate grounds.
    In the documentary, Dr Swire elaborated on the guilt he feels over Megrahi's time in prison, describing him as a "decent guy". Dr Swire said: "I feel a sense of guilt about Megrahi ever being found guilty because maybe, just maybe, if I hadn't tried as far as I did, maybe Gaddafi wouldn't have handed him over because it was Gaddafi that I addressed my pleas to – to allow him to be handed over.
    "So I feel guilt towards Megrahi, he is a decent guy and many other people who have met him said the same sort of thing.

    "I doubt now, that he was a member of Libyan intelligence at all and I don't think he knows who in the Libyan regime knew what was going on.

    "That of course brings us to the question of how much did the Libyan regime know and what can we find out."
    Dr Swire visited Megrahi during his recent trip but camera crews were banned during the meeting. He was described as "distraught" following the pair's hour-long encounter.

    Dr Swire said: "I think that what happened - in the sick room of a dying man and his doctor has to remain private.
    "He is a very sick man and I thought it was a privilege to have been allowed essentially to say goodbye to him."
    Dr Swire, who had met Megrahi previously, added: "This is a different and deeper level than we have been at before ... this was a parting discussion between two people who know each other, one of whom is going to die in the very near future."

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobil...88?_=70875fe7aa9f60b30f01f4a2c8562bc257eed414
     
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  7. stopmeandslapme

    stopmeandslapme Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> She slept with her dad, how sick is that?
     
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  8. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    To be fair I don't think there was much in the way of "Sleeping".
     
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  9. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    Are you actually using claims by someone involved in the overthrow of Gadaffi and who made no secret of their hatred for him and anyone involved in his regime as proof. His claims are just that, claims. i do not see him produce one shred of evidence here to back anything he claims up
     
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  10. RAVENBLACK

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    Is it true that Fritzl was holidaying in America on 9/11?
     
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  11. VenomPD

    VenomPD Merrick jr

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    Yeah but he flew out there on the 8th of November. Daft **** had missed it by nearly two months <doh>
     
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  12. Medro

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    Al Megrahi's disgusting return to Libya, greeted by Gaddaffis sons. Him working for Gaddaffi's intelligence service. Gaddaffi paying out compo. All a huge coincidence.<doh>
     
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  13. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    come on Jacky, this is dev

    look at the thread from a while back regarding the flotilla, The man wanted UN reports as those were the only 'reliable' source for him

    then read the soldiers and abuse of kids in afghanistan, I think ultimately it was '**** the UN' this time

    The new Libyan government are showing their 'gratitude' to the UK by 'clarifying' certain things
    As of el megrahi waiving the appeal, It was the only hope of going home whilst still alive

    imagine the question 'right you have cancer, a few months to live, admit what you did and get sent to Libya'

    or keep appealing because it worked well so far and you could be dead before you even make it to court

    There was actually a BBC documentary on this ( forgot the name) which basically concluded how ridiculous it was that he was even charged
    Also the so called 'fact' that he was in the intelligence services has never been more than an allegation form what I read
     
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  14. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Megrahi is not Ghaddafi though is he? Why would they say he was involved if he was'nt? What would their motive be?

    Besides, you said it yourself Megrahi was "involved in his (Ghadaffi's) regime", and as far as I'm concerned that's enough to damn him. If you fly with the Crows don't complain when you get shot.
     
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  15. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    The only actual undisputed FACTS are that megrahi was educated in the US and Wales the rest about his involvement with groups etc are FBI allegations only

    Its the yanks and welsh I tell ya

    also people forget that there was another guy that had similar allegations placed against him, however his alibi turned out to be water tight and he was released

    Interestingly numerous QC's and judges etc have termed the megrahi case as a travesty of justice
     
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  16. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Jip in second racism shocker in 2 days

    strip him of mod duties <grr>
     
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  17. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    you noticed that too

    is this what is called bealing?
     
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  18. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Oh dear someone's desperate for attention. What a shame, never mind.
     
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  19. DevAdvocate

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    Megrahi says his Lockerbie role exaggerated, facts will emerge &#8216;soon&#8217;

    Abdel Basset al-Megrahi, the man convicted of the 1988 Lockerbie bombing that killed 270 people, said his role in the attack had been exaggerated and the truth about what really happened would emerge soon.
    Megrahi, released from a Scottish prison two years ago because he was suffering from terminal cancer, spoke to Reuters from a bed at his home in Tripoli. Looking frail and his breathing laboured, he said he had only a few months, at most, left to live.

    &#8220;The facts (about the Lockerbie bombing) will become clear one day and hopefully in the near future. In a few months from now, you will see new facts that will be announced,&#8221; he told Reuters Television over the pinging of medical monitors around his bed.

    &#8220;The West exaggerated my name. Please leave me alone. I only have a few more days, weeks or months.&#8221;
    Megrahi was found guilty of bombing Pan Am flight 103 while it was en route from London to New York on Dec. 21, 1988. All 259 people aboard the plane were killed and 11 others on the ground in Lockerbie also died from falling wreckage.

    Megrahi, who had served as an intelligence agent during the rule of deposed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi, denied any role in suspected human rights abuses under Qaddafi&#8217;s administration. &#8220;All my work was administrative. I never harmed Libyans,&#8221; he said.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t harm anyone. I&#8217;ve never harmed anyone in my life.&#8221;

    He called the trial that led to his conviction a farce. The proceedings were held in a Dutch court under Scottish jurisdiction.

    &#8220;Camp Zeist Court is the smallest place on earth that contains the largest number of liars. I suffered from the liars at Camp Zeist Court more than you can imagine,&#8221; he said. (sounds like Ghadaffi at his best or Comical Ali at his worst)

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/10/03/170015.html

    A strange choice of words for a man who is innocent? "exaggerated his role in the attack"??????
     
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  20. GroveRanger

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    Did Dr Swire take Al Megrahi one of those big Toblerones you get in duty free? I love those.
     
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