I never said anything about inconsistency. In fact I think you do remarkably well to maintain your increasingly intricate facade
They are the same argument Fan. By saying that pious people are currently protected from suffering, you are also saying that pious people throughout history have been protected as such too. You know this as well as I do Fan, you're not a ******. A lunatic maybe. They are NOT the same argument. For a fella who nit picks on words (see creator and god) why do you refuse to understand this? I have explained this over and over again but will try again. Its a state of mind Basically its what can be called a win win maxim. being well is good, being ill is a mercy (rehma) as it washes away sin Again, Fan, acknowledging the possibility of something is NOT acknowledging it as fact. No matter how many times you ignore this simple truth, it still remains. I also acknowledge that there may once have been aliens on earth. Probably not, but it's a possibility. Me saying this does not mean that I acknowledge it for definite though. Or do you think it does? So a fact that is likely or possible? ie acknowledge. Although you didnt say possible if I remember correctly you specifically said you believed there WAS a creator acknowledge = Accept or admit the existence or truth of. Synonyms: admit - recognize - confess - avow - concede - grant You're either the most stubborn or obtuse person on here Fan, I'm not sure which. Neither. I am not stubborn just havent heard anything that isnt counterable as for obtuse if you find me difficult to understand, ask I will happily explain I have played devil's advocate on occasion. But you could do it for England. I think you misunderstand the term tbh. to play devils advocate is to assume a position that you dont necessrily agree with. I am muslim and believe in a creator etc so in no way playing devils advocate. By your admittance you argue for the sake of argument
are you sure you are Jip? you know the fella with the english degree? I never said you said anything about inconsistency In fact I said you said I was consistent in my 'made up life' and have confirmed what I said with the above quote re maintaining intricate facade IE you proved my point
Toby you obviously didnt read the OP of the GW thread. I have never denied it. Is this because of the first time I spoke about GW? you know when you specifically mentioned how you were an expert in the field so I specifically did a FAO toby thread? Fact is that you dont read what is said, you disagree and start allsorts of non related means to look clever Instead of going psycho why not a) ignore b) counter the arguments sorry but it shows a lack of intellect to resort solely to abuse
You get criticised for using neo-Nazis as evidence in your holocaust denial and accidentally linking to creationist whackjobs like Harun Yahya aka Adnan Oktar, who you agree is a loon. I link to Wikipedia because it makes you cry, frankly. Anything linked to there will have further links attached to it, anyway.
I don't misunderstand the term. You may be a Muslim, but that's not the only thing you argue about is it? I think a lot of your arguments are merely intended to irritate.
http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/62835-For-Toby-re-Global-warming?highlight=Global Warming Now please have a look and tell me where I 'resort solely to abuse'? I ended up getting frustrated by your incapacity to read/acknowledge any of my points, whilst repeating the same thing over and over again. I've always been up for having a serious debate about things I believe in, but you can't argue/debate with some people
why do people get hung up on who said what? As I clearly have explained to you before (I notice you always fail to note this) If someone makes a point I take it on its merit, I either argue it if I have an opposing view or look into it I have clearly never denied the killing of Jews by the nazi's, however there are certain questions that we are not allowed to ask, I think that is wrong and say so I think you refer to the treblinka site I referred to? If so there is a claim that a study was done using certin machinery that found NO evidence of what is being claimed re the dead bodies there. For some reason there has been a request to verify this or indeed prove the claim to be sheer lunacy. I believe it would be easier to take a sonar machine and prove it one way or another As for wikki, it doesnt make me cry in the slightest. On the contrary you are the one that usually starts whinging when I clearly say I wont read a whole wikki article as a response to a direct question. In fact I usually laugh and take it as you giving up As I said before I made a claim, regardless of where it came from, either counter it and prove me wrong or dont bother saying yeah but you got this from x y or z is IMO losing the argument and shows how one sided you are
You backed down Fan, you weakened your stance as your original statement was ludicrous. 'No suffering' became 'deals with suffering better'. Simple as that. As explained, using your quotes, you changed the boundaries and got responses accordingly. Now that is being obtuse Not a fact. And likely or possible are quite different. You don't remember correctly either, I distinctly said 'might'. As for your definition, it doesn't fit what I did. I didn't 'accept or admit the existence or truth of' anything. I admitted it was a possibility, not a definite truth. Your own quote disagrees with you ffs. When that happens, even you should give up. That is why I said acknowledged and your exact quote was 'I suppose there may have once been a creator, but if there was, he/she's long gone.' sounds like a change from I dont believe and an acknowledgement You're not countering though Fan. You're just ignoring and repeating. As for your definition of obtuse, it also means 'annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.' Which you are. I am answering and countering point by point and nearly always do with you (and a few others who allege avoidance, not that it stops them) I even quoted what you said back to you. I dont see what is insensitive in what I have said, however you clearly dont seem to understand how this works I don't misunderstand the term. You may be a Muslim, but that's not the only thing you argue about is it? I think a lot of your arguments are merely intended to irritate. True its not the only thing I 'discuss'. You seem to think people have no choice but to click on a thread by me and respond. I fact if people wanted to they could ignore me.
Toby you seemed to have confused 2 posts, but here goes If you loo at the Op for that thread I was very civil and polite, you responded nice enough using words such as bollox with a and thats was fine Then on y counters (still polite) you did the whole *sigh* thing which I politely asked you to refrain from You then shouted 'BUT THE EARTH IS MEANT TO BE COOLING ' and your next response Adding 'scientifically' doesn't make things true Unless it's: Scientifically, thefanwithnoname has no brain
I am not english Mr A apparently I cannot be. I can die for this country, pay my taxes etc, play sport for it but can never be PM etc
You're doing it again Read my previous post, it says 'I ended up getting frustrated by your incapacity to read/acknowledge any of my points'. You've just pointed out the exact point where my patience broke, and my comment was fair, you were randomly adding scientifically to invalid points, whilst ignoring anything I was saying. Also you said that I 'resort solely to abuse', and I just proved to you that I don't, I try to explain my position first. So you're wrong again, at least something you're competent at
Were you born in England? Gotta go, Big Bro is over. I have been summonsed. Gypsy fighting thing coming on 4.
I don't think that at all. I don't know why it seems that way. Just because people choose to respond, doesn't mean you're not trying to wind them up. Pretty sad really, a bloke apparently in his 40s trying to cause rows on the internet.
so straight away I see On that occassion you randomly resorted to insults and have done so since The amount of times I have read others telling you to F off for just posting insults on a thread I wouldnt care to count You dont explain anything, you ask for a discussion, post some stuff and when someone says anything different or you get proven wrong you start hurling the abuse If yoiu dont believe me start a thread and ask the good folk of Not606
