While at the Fulham v Chelsea game today,drinking hot soup,tea,or a pie you have a chance to mingle,and chat with club insiders,the main topic of conversation is of course was transfers."A source stated usually quite reliable, is by the end of this week "Harry is to offer 10mil + Kranjcar for Dembele. 2 offers for AJ,best price offered 1 mil 1 0ffer for BZ 5.5mil turned down.( who is 31 this week) "True or false" ? who knows,but it makes a change from unfounded newspaper gossip.
All of them entirely believable. But I wouldn't accept any of those offers. If Carroll is worth £35 million and Zamora is ahead of him in the England pecking order, how can he be worth 1/7 of the price?
Because one of them has ten or fifteen years playing time ahead of him and the other has only three or four. But Bobby is worth more than £5.5m.
Doesn't matter how young you are Captain, if you're not scoring goals as a striker you're not worth anything. Van Persie is older than Carroll, would you say that makes him less valuable?
Van Persie is 28, coming into his peak years. Zamora is 31, coming out of his. It's not a valid comparison. Of course age isn't the only factor, but it is a factor. Was Smalling worth £10 or 12m (whatever it was that Utd paid us for him)? We'd never have got that for Hangeland, who is a much better player. United were paying for someone who could well become the cornerstone of their defence for a decade. Sometimes clubs pay for potential and for the amount of service a player will give them, not just for what they will deliver in the short term. And I don't think anyone would still say that Carroll is worth £35m on the basis of this season. If both players did move in the next year, Carroll would fetch more than Bobby. Contract length is also a factor - how long before a player can change clubs for free. Transfer fees are about a lot more than just how good a player is.
The Captain's right. Look at players like Oxlade-Chamberlain and Connor Wickham - you can guarantee neither club paid that money because they wanted a class player who could slot into the team instantly. It's an investment. The Carroll transfer had loads more going on. The big factor was it was the final day in the January transfer window, Newcastle didn't want to sell, weren't desperate for the money and had no other strikers coming in (or would have any chance to bring any). He wouldn't have cost £20m if he'd moved at the beginning of a summer transfer window.
Wickham pretty much went straight into the Sunderland team Bidders. Call this ridiculous but I would say both Carroll and Zamora are worth the same amount right now which I would call at around £10 million. Carroll also has had ONE good half a season in the top flight, the rest of his goals came in the Championship, Zamora while not being exactly consistent has scored more goals at the top level, and in much worser teams than Newcastle and Liverpool where the service is far better for a striker, just look at Torres for example.
If Wickham was 30, he would've cost a tenth of what Sunderland paid for him, though. While how you're valuing Bobby and Carroll is probably the most practical, it's not the most pragmatic. Both have been underwhelming this season, but for your £10m you'll get more bang for your buck with Carroll. Bobby won't be around nearly as long.
I agree that Carroll would seem more value for money but that is purely based on the assumption that he will eventually come good for either Liverpool or another club. This is of course not a guarantee.
Absolutely, that's where the gamble lies. The could turn out to be a Rooney or a Carroll - you pays your money and you makes your choice.
Is Zamora worth more than £5.5mil? Is he worth £10mil? He's worth what people are prepared to pay for him. If the market place says he's worth this then that's his value. I'd hate Dembele to go to Spurs, he wouldn't get a game.
This. I've said it before but Spurs do seem to do the opposite of further a player's career, like the Chelsea of old.
Nonsense. Look at Bale and Walker. Redknapp just has a bad habit of buying more players than he needs.
Bentley was about 23/24 when he signed for Spurs but I think it was Ramos that signed him? Bassong was 22/23 when he signed.
Both had played regularly for their last clubs and were not expected to develop as players a whole lot more, that was my point.
