Dev. Whenever you hear or see a post with reference to the post your antennae goes on red alert. I can have it both ways and I reserve the right to have it both ways. It is a perfectly legitimate claim to say that the police forces in Scotland and the North of Ireland are bias in word and action, against Celtic and Pro Rangers and there fans. Without elaborating and without boring readers with too many examples, let me remind you of the ability the police man had of hearing a Celtic fan or fans sing or shout something terrible at an European match but at the league cup final a few months earlier a whole crowd of policemen could not hear 20,000 Rangers fans belt out a banned song. I have no reason at this stage to believe the police of Manchester would be anything other than neutral. Dev. I thought that MD Trevor were making as good a case as possible for the impossible position they were trying to argue,I am surprised at you thinking you should try to help out the Manchester rioters and friends.
You are as usual talking nonsense, the English police are no better and no worse than Scots or Northern Irish ones. Only in the world of the truly paranoid are they any different.
Maybe i should just start telling the coppers I'm a hun see if they will show me leniency I'll just say SH says so.
I'm not saying all Rangers fans were totally innocent (some were as guilty as **** - I saw some mental sights like a car being dismantled by bare hands) but the police went at the innocent and guilty alike indiscriminantly. From what I saw the police were just as culpable in things kicking off as the Rangers fans. If you start by striking out then a bit of retaliation should be expected and those Manc police deserved a slap for their conduct. All day drinking and the mass exodus of teams of neds didn't help matters though.
I got leniancy for saying I was a rangers fan once. but conversely I got arse raped (not literally) for drinking in the street outside Ibrox. fenian bastards
Dev spoken by a true copper who could not rely on a colleague. I will tell you one think been a copper in Scotland does not necessary mean you are an expert in all police forces. What happened to you just would not happen in the North of Ireland. One of the main reason for the length of the troubles was simply because the police shut up shop and the truth could not be got out of them. We now have a H.ET.(historic enquiries team) and to many the amazing findings coming out are the number of previously unsolved killings that the police were involved in. I have asked often for an explanation of the lack of hearing of 20,000 singing an illegal song at Ibrox and not one of the 100odd police reacted. At a European match it appears thaa policeman "heard" someone or a few fans singing, something that was not banned. The policeman reported to UEFA who fined Celtic. How Dev could they not hear at Ibrox, and how despite most fans all around the stadium not hear anything wrong by Celtic fans.
Posted this on the wrong threadoriginally , oops. I speak through experience, I have lived/worked in England, Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland and the Coppers I met generally tended to be the same kind of individuals. Doubtless a few bigots fill their ranks out but I don't happen to believe the upper eschelons of Strathclyde Police are replete with freemasons who have a hatred of Celtic. As for the RUC (no longer with us) I have worked with them and I did not particulary care for them too much, but I don't see what relevance historical events in NI have to do with Scots police reporting IRA songs at Parkhead. As for "Hearing" a "few" fans singing IRA songs I think you are being economical with the truth as regards the numbers actually singing, however at least you do admit that some fans are singing them so we do seem to be getting somewhere. I don't care what people sing at Ibrox or what the police do about it, let them wallow in their own ****e, I am only concerned with what's sung at Celtic Park and if it is deemed reportworthy then so be it, i'm not going to start cliping to the authorities that the Celtic "Family" are being singled out for special attention. I am firmly of the belief that we should look to our "ain midden" and clear that up before we start finger pointing accross the city but if you think Celtic are somehow being victimised then why not write to your MP or Alex Salmond unless you are concerned that they are Rangers apologists too?
No Dev. You entered into a series of posts I was having with the "reasonable" Mdtrevor and changed the discussion just as the bears were unable reply sensibly. Having interrupted our posts you now also refuse to reply to my questions. Why Dev don't you remember you are a disgraced expoliceman and so if you want to enter discussions on the internet you should have the manners to reply.
If he is a Wum i'll take my hat off to him but i'm now beginning to suspect he really is as mental as he seems.
The problem with diagnosing from a distance is disgraced policemen and rioters can get it so wrong. In successive posts I have a mental illness and am a pain in the bum. It would be difficult for normal people to agree that both could be right. Although I have no doubt Dev could be at times a decent enough person, the fact that he was a traveling policeman that at least one of his colleagues felt he was an unfit and not a proper person to continue leaves a question mark about him. Dev I am very pleased to tell you I knew my father, the poor man is dead and he certainly wasn't a disgraced or failed policeman. He was a respected man. We are supposed to believe Trevor and Md ,both of whom were at the Manchester riots and both no doubt played their part in destroying Manchester. At least one of them has admitted been a Rangers fan got them out of trouble with the police. Another example of police partiality.
Dev, just been your usual nasty self. Ignorance and policemen go hand in hand. Your bear friends good too when they have no answer.
I remember a few years back when rangers won the league at the pigpen and the police just stood by and watched as dozens of celtic fans threw bottles and cans at the rangers players as they left the field. if it had been the other way round the Daily Record would have had front page headlines about a "riot" but they ignored it even though everybody watching Sky had seen it happening.
