I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this. Some people claim it is un-sportsman like, how ? If a player continually commits fouls or tackles dangerously why shouldn't the opposition players remind the ref of his duty ? Rooney was right to protest that Kompany's tackle was 2 footed with studs showing, so why shouldn't he remind the ref of his duty ? Figueroa was the last man and handled the ball so why shouldn't Mancini remind the ref of his duty ? Anyone who has played football has asked for the ref to card players - at all levels of football, how many times have you shouted to the ref after being fouled "how many more ref ?!!" I really don't see why we have this palava, its almost as if we in England are the last bastion of honesty. We need to get off our high horse and recognise, card waving is part of football and no more un-sportsman like than appealing for throw ins that we know are not ours !!
Im 50/50 about waving cards and sometimes i think the refs need to be told but then you get the players who will start waving at everything and if another player is already on a yellow u can bet the whole team would be around the ref waving another card and pointing out that this is the players 2nd foul after the yellow he received. Football players in general are pathetic and will do anything to get one over. They claim for throw ins when the whole world can see it came of his own boot FFS.
Seeking to gain an advantage is a part of football, hence the shirt pulling and off the ball argy bargy, it is a part of football and one that has it's place, like the on-field banter. Vinnie Jones squeezing Paul Gascoigne's nuts has it's place in football folklore. What I don't agree with is surrounding the ref, that mob rule made so famous by Man U in the 90s is wrong, but appealing to the ref to card a player after a foul - especially if it is a repeat offender or a blatant handball as last man is correct in my opinion.
I'm fine with appeals, not the Man U mob rule. Some big clubs think they can get away with anything. While Utd are well-supported it is no wonder too that they are so disliked. I agree that there are players who think they can get away with almost anything and refs these days do not see everything, even with the advantage of an additional official. Bring on TV I say.
I don't see what the big difference is between it and crowding round an official. When Mancini waves an imaginary card its seen as worse than match fixing but when Ferguson (or Wenger for that matter) goes and shouts at the 4th official after a decision goes against them it is seen as completely normal. They are both gestures designed to influence the referee so whats the big difference between them?
I agree that teams that continually do it are bad for football and I also agree that chasing the ref mob handed is wrong. However, whats the difference between waving an imaginary card and asking the ref how many more times a player will be allowed to foul people ? On top of that how many times have you seen a player get fouled, he gets the free kick and he still complains to the ref !! Clearly he wants more done, whats the difference ?
I suggest you watch a game of Rugby (either code) and see how the Ref puts up with none of this stuff. It makes the whole spectacle much better if players are not allowed any say. It's especially good that the equivalent of free-kicks can always be taken quickly and if any opposing player within 10 yards intervenes another kick is awarded 10 yards on. Same for dissent. Why we don't do it in football I shall never know.
I don't like seeing players and managers waving imaginary cards. Although refs do make mistakes, I think they do a good job overall. They get lambasted when they get it wrong, but they get very little praise for when they get it right. I think it should be an automatic yellow card offence for unsportsmanslike conduct for anyone who does the card waving.
waving the red card doesnt bother me because the referee might feel disrespected but bothers me because it is hypocrisy on a player or manager's part...because when it happens to someone in your team then it is not nice and comes across as extremely unprofessional...as for undermining the referee..im not botherd about that as i think the blind basterds need a helping hand in doing their job
Telling the ref that this tackle is supposed to be yellow/red is fine IMO. But Rooney did it in an aggresive manner, like a chav playing in a Sunday League game, Barca are the worst. They gang up on the ref with 4-5 players (was gonna write men, but we all know they are sissies or cry-babies as barn door said) and influence him to make a (wrong) decision.
your clutching at straws when you try to say that the action is ok but the manner in which it is executed isnt...ive seen arsenal players do it when they had the big guns who thought they had the authority to do it...tha was just as aggressive as Rooney....i prefer Rooney's take on it...direct and open..unlike some slimy basterd who has little words with the ref when nobody is looking but still wants the same outcome as Rooney
Sounds reasonable. Now that pretty much every team worldwide has no defenders someone other than RVP will score for you guys.
Sounds like the perfect solution to me It's a good point you raise though. When defenders raise their arm for offside, they are in effect technically making a claim to influence the officials in the same way that asking for a card to be shown is. The difference though I think is in the tone and nature of what is being done. I think the difference is one that should be distinguished. I definitely think the card waving gesture is in the same bracket as time wasting and should be punished accordingly.
I still don't see the difference in asking the ref how many more fouls he will allow a player to commit and waving an imaginary card. There is a certain level of banter on a football pitch, you can't lose it, it isn't rugby or like cricket - although they do sledge in cricket, but banter with the ref is part of the game and what I like about football is refs all have personalities, there are some you can joke around with - and some that are like little Hitlers. There are some who let you swear and some that don't - there are some that swear at players themselves. You can't lose the banter in football.
I don't see waving or raising arms is a problem. I DO see more than 2 players 'surrounding' refs is a big problem. They should say I'll talk to 2 players - captain and 1 more - else I'll start booking you all - go away now!
