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Why Rangers failed and Celtic didn't

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  1. RebelBhoy

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    Written by The Dutchbhoy Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:13

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    As we wait with baited breath for the coup de grace of Rangers, perhaps a bit of critical analysis is in order, rather than just that lovely gloating feeling which is perfectly understandable given current events.

    We need to understand why Celtic are seemingly in a relatively comfortable financial situation given the precarious nature of the economy in general (and Scottish football in particular), and why Rangers are at death’s door.

    To date we are still not sure what will be the ultimate fate of Rangers, but whatever scenario finally unfolds, administration or perhaps bankruptcy, we can be sure that Rangers will emerge from the debris a very different and diminished club.

    As far as one can see there are two main reasons for the present state of affairs. The respective fortunes of the club depend upon those who ran the club and the different ethos which distinguishes Celtic from Rangers supporters.


    Two men, more than any embody the different philosophies and practices of both clubs. The only thing that Fergus McCann and David Murray have in common is that they acquired the biggest clubs in Scotland at the correct point in the economic cycle.
    Fergus McCann came in with a concrete plan which had a defined time span and clear objectives, in the process he made a lot of money for himself and saved the club. David Murray had no such plan, merely a vaguely defined ‘vision’ for the future. McCann gave himself five years at Celtic, everything he promised in terms of infrastructure and a secure financial future, he delivered.

    We now learn with the gift of hindsight backed up with facts that much of the initial ‘success’ that Rangers achieved under Murray, was done on the back of borrowed money and reckless spending.

    Both men came to power at a time when money was cheap, historic low interest rates and much more disposable income for the average supporter. There was one major difference however, whereas Murray already had a newly refurbished stadium courtesy of the previous incumbents, McCann had no such luxury. He was starting with a blank canvas so to speak, and he quickly identified the rebuilding of Celtic Park as the top priority. He had no choice given the dilapidated state of Paradise and government legislation following the Taylor report. At that time there was a raging debate between Celtic supporters and the Board whether the revamping of Celtic Park should be the top priority given the complete dominance of Rangers in Murray’s first chapter at Ibrox.

    Hindsight is a great thing, but time has shown that McCann got it right and Murray got it disastrously wrong, hence the present local difficulties that Govan’s finest now face. McCann surrounded himself with professionals and sound investors. Celtic had and still has a broad and balanced group of individuals who run Celtic and have the club’s best interests at heart, Rangers do not have that luxury.

    Under McCann Celtic became a professionally run club with the board drawn from the banking sector and other financial areas. Rangers was completely at the mercy of David Murray’s personal whim. Celtic was even criticized at the time for its decision to become a PLC, even though the safeguards which it provides prevented the club from going down the path of economic ruin.

    David Murray thought otherwise.

    As early as 2002, Hugh Adam a man who had given sterling service through the years to Rangers, issued a stark warning to Rangers’ supporters about the future financial disaster that awaited the club if Murray did not change course. Just before he dumped his 59.000 shares in the club, he stated presciently that bankruptcy was the only logical outcome for a club ‘in financial free-fall”.

    Mr Adam despite generating vast amounts of money through Rangers pools pre- Murray (70 million in today’s money) was dismissed as a doddery old dinosaur.

    There is also another salient factor which often escapes our attention, namely that Fergus McCann was a boyhood Celtic supporter, whereas Murray’s first love was rugby. Rangers came to him late and by a stroke of good fortune.

    Murray also had the benefit of enjoying a very close, some might say incestuous relationship with his banking friends in his Edinburgh base. The very same bankers who would lead their own financial institutions over the abyss twenty years later. Interestingly, McCann made his fortune far from his native Croy. His biggest backer Dermott Desmond was an Irishman who made his pile in Dublin as a financier and speculator. Brian Quinn was deputy governor of the Bank of England with no connection to Murray’s coterie of golf playing, bead counters in Auld Reekie. In short, McCann surrounded himself with heavyweights who ensured Celtic would succeed.

    However, even with McCann’s astute business acumen all of what was achieved could never have been achieved without the one vital ingredient.

    The Celtic support.

    Fergus McCann enjoys an ambivalent relationship with Celtic fans to this day.

    Even now you will get a very mixed assessment on the wee man’s five year tenure at Celtic Park. There are still those who harbour resentment and anger regarding his role at Celtic. One would like to think that given the Rangers debacle, and with the benefit of time and distance, there is a greater appreciation of his achievements.

    As has already been pointed out, McCann was a Celtic supporter from childhood and that is central to him understanding his task. In today’s jargon, one could say he knew his ‘target audience’ in a way the likes of David Murray never could. From his days as the humble Celtic bus conveynor, McCann instinctively knew that when the shares were issued the Celtic support would respond in massive numbers. Upon his departure, McCann also insisted that preference shares be given to small shareholders (ordinary Celtic supporters) than large institutions. In one of his rare moments of honesty and candour, Murray berated Rangers’ fans for not showing the same degree of commitment as Celtic supporters after yet another unsuccessful shares issue.

    When one compares McCann’s leadership to Murray’s modus operandi, namely franchising large sections of Ibrox for personal gain, the implication is obvious.

    In summary, the differing fortunes of the two clubs has not happened by chance but by design. The crude caricature of McCann and the biscuit tin was indeed just that, a stupid misrepresentation of the man and his achievments.

    If the Scottish press is looking for a genuine caricature of greed and self-interest they need look no further than at the present owner of Rangers.

    I give you Craig Whyte, the final tragic manifestation of the Murray ‘vision’.

    Rangers R.I.P.
     
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  2. Mind The Duck

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    If anything, rangers obsession with celtics achievements in Europe and the record, still held, of 9iar has resulted in their downfall
     
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  3. RebelBhoy

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    Chasing rainbows.

    I am a critic of McCann for certain decisions he took but very few could argue about the footing the club is on. It is only in contrasting that with the monkeys that we can appreciate it fully.
     
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  4. Mick

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    The Celtic biscuit tin is why we are still doing modestly ok (in financial terms that is). Not only did Murray spend money he didn't have, but he didn't even pay the taxes on that spent money.

    It would be wrong to say it's Rangers fault (as it was the fault of past management rather than the current collective following) but if they are to go into administration and be severely penalised in sporting terms then it would be quite apt given that these unpaid debts and tax dodges certainly contributed to previous sporting success.
     
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  5. Fabulous Fabio

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    Is this not just a whole article of pointing out the obvious? I mean we all already know why Rangers and Celtic find themselves in different situations financially. The guy could've saved us a history lesson and simply said "Rangers over spent and Celtic didn't, Rangers borrowed too much money chasing the Champions League and Celtic didn't, Rangers didn't pay their taxes and Celtic did". That one sentence just about sums up whats in the whole article
     
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    Generally I am ok with the biscuit tin.

    Fiscal prudence is obviously sensible. The only time I would have strayed from that would have been 3 years ago. Hindsight is nothing but foresight for ****ers but we all pretty much felt the same that investing then would have been like buying money. We could (and should) have buried them then.

    My feeling is that the flying start to this season was the aristeia for the Huns as a club. Maybe the last 3 years has been. The penny is finally dropping. Win lose or draw this tax case and they are still in bad shape. It is still a bit premature to be smug, but it certainly looks that our policy is justified.
     
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  7. ManDingo 20"/20"

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    Pretty much.
     
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  8. Null

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    Couldn't that be said of all articles written-they can be summed up in one or two sentences? Wouldn't be much need for websites, blogs or newspapers!
     
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  9. Rustie bugmuncher

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    i think mcann at the time took a lot of stick as we were playing second fiddle to them. Every week they seemed to be linked with some tax dodger or another, and the amount of the banks money they were throwing around was crazy, where as as soon as we took a step forward something seemed to go wrong - wim leaving and dr jo coming in

    i also did not like the way he fell out with TB or Davie Hay. The whole di canio thing pissed me off, his refusal to pay pierre what he was worth and letting him leave then refusing to let wim re sign him. It seemed to me at that time that it would be another ten years before a title would next be come to CP.

    overall i think there were far more positives from his time than negatives, I also feel he deserves a lot of recognition for achieving what he did in 5 years. It is easy to forget how bad we were pre Mcann.
     
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  10. Go G YellowScreen

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    The worst thing McCann did was hire Jock Brown. That was a PR disaster.

    Who can forget the Regi Blinker/Di Canio fiasco?
     
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  11. Rustie bugmuncher

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    Di Canio was not sold he was traded - what a twat
     
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  12. DevAdvocate

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    <laugh>
     
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  13. rogueleader

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    McCann showed himself to be a very shrewd operator when he decided not to build a 700 million pound stadium, like the one rangers blew all their cash on.......
     
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  14. Super hooper

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    O/K forget the above I remember you better as Stereo Typist.
    You were probably to young to really understand. The thing that
    annoyed McCann the most was sectarianism and religion playing a role
    in Scottish sport. Although he recognised that Celtic never practiced any
    religious discrimination,he knew that the Rangers influenced Glasgow media
    always tried to "tar" Celtic as been the Catholic equivalent to Rangers Protestantism.
    McCann was convinced if employed Brown who was one of Glasgow's media who
    was seen to be pro Rangers and anti Celtic, then Brown could build a bridge and
    end the media's belief that Celtic were just the opposite of Rangers. This back-fired
    spectacularly and instead of bridge building the media really made Brown's job hell.
    Apart fro probably his own lack of ability, the stance his former friends in the media
    was truly disgracful. No matter what Brown done was wrong and his former mates
    cosied up to one or two at Celtic Park who should known better, and made a bad
    appointment even worse. Those were bad times at Celtic Park, but appointing Brown
    was a decision made with good intentions.

    I appreciate the wonderful job Fergus did at Celtic, he really put the club on a sound
    footing but he certainly wasn't eager to build or maintain the Irish links. Despite his
    efforts, or maybe because of his efforts, thankfully the Irish links grew strong again.
     
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  15. DevAdvocate

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    I speak through experience, I have lived/worked in England, Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland and the Coppers I met generally tended to be the same kind of individuals. Doubtless a few bigots fill their ranks out but I don't happen to believe the upper eschelons of Strathclyde Police are replete with freemasons who have a hatred of Celtic. As for the RUC (no longer with us) I have worked with them and I did not particulary care for them too much, but I don't see what relevance historical events in NI have to do with Scots police reporting IRA songs at Parkhead.

    As for "Hearing" a "few" fans singing IRA songs I think you are being economical with the truth as regards the numbers actually singing, however at least you do admit that some fans are singing them so we do seem to be getting somewhere.

    I don't care what people sing at Ibrox or what the police do about it, let them wallow in their own ****e, I am only concerned with what's sung at Celtic Park and if it is deemed reportworthy then so be it, i'm not going to start cliping to the authorities that the Celtic "Family" are being singled out for special attention.

    I am firmly of the belief that we should look to our "ain midden" and clear that up before we start finger pointing accross the city but if you think Celtic are somehow being victimised then why not write to your MP or Alex Salmond unless you are concerned that they are Rangers apologists too?
     
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  16. VenomPD

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    Well ****ing said Dev. <ok>
     
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  17. Super hooper

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    Dev Well done you have just showed yourself to be an even bigger imbecile than I previously thought. We are discussing Fergus McCann and his imput at Celtic and you change the subject completely to blow about your career with police forces in various parts of the UK. The bit you did not tell us is that you finished your police career
    with your reputation in tatters. Why should anyone then respect your views on these police forces.
    You say you don't care what they sing in Ibrox.
    Again this demonstrates reasons why it is right that you are an expoliceman who left in disgrace. A decent human being would strive for fair and equal treatment for all.
    Seemingly you are quite happy for police to punish the Celtic club and Celtic fans who may have song something wrong but you are quite happy that Rangers fans can in their thousands sing banned song without the police interfering or reporting.
    Many decent people would consider that unfair and a clear example of how the police work in Glasgow.

    Again why did you post this under McCann's discussion?
     
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  18. DevAdvocate

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    How this happened god only knows, I must have been stoned, same as I was when I was drummed oot the rozzers for being a Celtic supporter in uniform. I was the only tim in Strathclyde's finest. The boys in blue (sic) when I was a member were always up for a bit of the old Celtic bashing, many's the laughs we had at Pitt street planning our next purge of the innocent wee angels and their funny folk songs down Parkhead. When I think of the skulls I had to crack at the behest of the top Masons just to pretend I was "wan of the peepil".

    The whole force is crawling with Rangers fans who joined for no other reason than to get back at Tims.

    That in your deluded, acorn-sized brain just about covers it I assume, so go and have a hot bath or a cold shower and calm your jets you bufoon.

    I posted a reply on the wrong thread, which if you had any brains you would have long since realised, so you are either even stupider than everyone gives you credit or you are attempting (and failing) to make some grand statement to make me look foolish. Listen up daftie, this is the internet and you don't get a "Riddy" on here because if you did, by God you would have long since departed with a neck as red as a baboon's arse.
     
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  19. rogueleader

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    they all wear rangers tops under their uniforms you know.
     
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  20. DevAdvocate

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    Move along Timmy or you'll be spitting out teeth :police:
     
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