Heard it all before. Except last time it was take away Ronaldo and you have an ordinary side. Before that it was RVN, then Keane and prior to that Cantona. Never gets old But you drew those games. So already have two points from two, hence you'd only get four more points. Sorry, being pedantic again! True, but then Utd have been blessed with central midfielders for the past twenty years - Robson, Ince, Keane, Scholes, even Fletcher and Carrick were doing great until a couple of years ago. I wonder if you will have the same trouble rebuilding your strike force as we are having with our CM?
Lol, "Suarez will want to leave as soon as he realises how **** you are and his house is burgled several times" "Carrick is not a gash Brazilian donkey and Rooney does not hit his girlfriend"
Swarbs you are clearly in denial, why can't you just admit, that yes United do have a few problems, ie, keeper, central midfielder. You just completly ignore it and make constant refrences to the past. Do you honestly think you have enough in that squad to hold off City both now and in the future?
Now, may be not, future yes, UTD have a good youth setup, Man City dont yet, when FFP kicks in, there will be no £30M here, £40M there. also Man City dont have the revenue stream of UTD, and willl probably not ever get close to it.
Denying what? We have had a few problems in our squad at many points throughout the past two decades, and often worse than they are now. But for all their riches City still have problems in their squad - their central defence is almost wholly reliant on Kompany and without Silva they have no creativity at all. We have faced bigger challenges before and overcome them, and I am confident we will do so again. You appear to be the one who is more in denial. How can you be so confident that Dalglish will succeed when he has spent over £100 million and yet you are no better off now than you were in 09/10, when the club was near bankrupt and selling off most of its best players? Benitez was forced to sell Alonso and had Torres injured for half the season and still managed to do as well as Dalglish is currently doing after he's spend over £100 million in less than a year. What makes you think Dalglish will ever better Benitez's second place finish?
When you say £100 million, half of that is the Torres money, the players we have are assets. You could sell Suarez and Enrique Tomorrow for £50 million. Plus another £12 million for Meireles, and about another ten Million for the other outgoings...That's a net spend of £28 mil. Expect much more in the future! I am entitled to be optimistic as a Liverpool fan, we have good owners and a manager who is Liverpool through and through. I don't expect instant success, but as long as we keep moving in the right direction, I am happy. If we had the right owners in 09/10 we would have kept the best players and built on that. Now we have the right owners, so can hopefully avoid making the same mistakes..... Phase one of the rebuild, get rid of dead wood, create strong squad. Stage 2 to follow shortly.......
Since Kenny Dalglish took over in January, Liverpool have sold Torres, Babel, Meireles, Jovanovic, Konchesky, Poulsen and N'gog, along with others. In addition we now have Aquilani, and part of Joe Cole's wages off the list. In terms of transfer fees, this accounts for 72 million pounds, plus whatever small amounts were recieved for Konchesky, Poulsen, and Jovanovic. Wage estimates are far less reliable, however using general estimates the saving from the afoementioned sales are astounding. Let's assume that all these players bar Torres, Cole and Jovanovic (who had been estimated, by a number of sources, at having weekly wage bills of 110,000, 90,000, and 90,000 respectively) were earning the average Premier League wage of 21,000 a week. Just in these players, the Liverpool wage budget is approximately 400,000/week lighter, taking into account the wages we are still paying for Joe Cole's loan at Lille. Now I realise that most fans realise that there as been some 'spring cleaning' done around anfield, but im not sure about you guys, 72 million plus 400,000/week seems like a bit more than 'spring cleaning' FACTS
Is that why you bought smalling and Jones ? Look.there's no shame losing to city, this year and next year ! You'll be stuck on 19 for the foreseeable future, but let's not clutch at straws hey !
You may be right, but that is another thing I have heard from Liverpool fans many times over. Houllier and Benitez both completed phase one and gave you strong squads, albeit with some deadweight just like your current one. But neither of them took it any further, no matter how much they got to spend in the interim. Do you think more money is going to be the solution right now? And how much more do you reckon FSG will spend what with FFP coming in and the potential bill for a new stadium hanging over the club? Particularly now the Red Sox will be screaming for investment again having missed consecutive playoffs for the first time in a decade (that's effectively the American equivalent of dropping out of the top four if I understand all this baseball malarkey correctly...)
See the post above, we have spring cleaned, the guys in charge are not a bunch of clowns looking for a quick buck, they are highly skilled business men. Thats the difference, we are in good hands and the benefits will be seen, if not right now, certainly in the future....When you say "deadweight" who are you refering to? I cant see any?
The first, an major point of ignorance which I can see, is the lack of acknowledgement of revenue gained by the selling of players. Firstly, since Kenny Dalglish took over in January, Liverpool have sold Torres, Babel, Meireles, Jovanovic, Konchesky, Poulsen and N'gog, along with others. In addition we now have Aquilani, and part of Joe Cole's wages off the list. In terms of transfer fees, this accounts for 72 million pounds, plus whatever small amounts were recieved for Konchesky, Poulsen, and Jovanovic. Wage estimates are far less reliable, however using general estimates the saving from the afoementioned sales are astounding. Let's assume that all these players bar Torres, Cole and Jovanovic (who had been estimated, by a number of sources, at having weekly wage bills of 110,000, 90,000, and 90,000 respectively) were earning the average Premier League wage of 21,000 a week. Just in these players, the Liverpool wage budget is approximately 400,000/week lighter, taking into account the wages we are still paying for Joe Cole's loan at Lille. Now I realise that most fans realise that there as been some 'spring cleaning' done around anfield, but im not sure about you guys, 72 million plus 400,000/week seems like a bit more than 'spring cleaning' The second main point is the lack of acknowledgement in the drop in wages of the new players coming in to Anfield. Over the summer, and during January last season, Liverpool have added Suarez, Carroll, Downing, Henderson, Adam, Enrique, Doni, Bellamy, and Coates. Out of those, Henderson and Enrique were on their first Premier league contract when Liverpool came calling. As such, eve if they recieved a raise, it is doubtful that any would be earning above 40-50,000 pounds/week. The same can go for Doni, while Coates is unlikely to be earning much higher than the average, assume a generous 30,000/week. Suarez, Carroll Adam and Bellamy are the major earners of the new boys. Bellamy, although taking a paycut, still etimated to be earning in the region of 80,000/week. Following the sale of Torres, it was estimated by BBC, Guardian and other sources (I know you cant really trust the media but thats about as reliable as you're going to find regarding wages) that Suarez and Carroll combined, earned about 90% of what Torres was earning in his final Liverpool contract, so about 100,000/week. Finally, Charlie Adam earned just 12,000 a week, but, given interest from United and other Premier League clubs, we can assume a wage of well above 50,000/week, probably closer to 70,000. All up, the estimated wages of all the new players combined, should come to, at most 430,000/week. This is only 30,000/week more than the wages recouped by major sales, and pays the wages of the same amount of players, with the key difference being that against Tottenham, 8 of those 9 played, with Doni on the bench, I cant imagine Dalglish putting Jovanovic, Konchesky, Puolsen, Ngog or Babel out at White Heart Lane. The final major point, which seems to be almost forgotten since Dalglish took over, is the absence of debt. Under Gillett and Hicks, we were paying approximately 30 million pey year in interest. This not only covers the 30,000/week extra in wages, but a large proportion of the transfer fee deficit. If we add this 30 million to the tranfer fee's recieved, the total becomes 102 million, this is almost level with what we payed for the new players. So much for the extravagant, reckless transfer policy. I doubt that United, usually hailed as the exemplars of a controlled, methodical transfer policy, can claim this. In reality, assuming my estimates are close to accurate, Liverpool have not only been responsible and prudent in the transfer window, but have genuinely improved a squad based almost solely on player sales. Isn't this what David Moyes gets respect for year-in-year-out? It's not that I would care if Liverpool did go out and spend above their means for a while, because Tottenham, Chelsea, Man City, even United have proven that this is the only way to achieve real success, trophies, or at least champions league. What I get annoyed with is that not only anonomous bloggers, but actual journalists, label Liverpool as 'Reckless' and 'Indulgent', without doign the half-hours research that it took me to write this.
It's generally seen as good practice to acknowledge someone when you are claiming their arguments as your own: http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_Finances-Let39s-set-the-record-straight/blog/5170192/173471.html I also fail to see how your owners apparently failing to sanction any new net spending for a club that finished in 6th place last season, and aspires to be higher this season, makes them good owners. Isn't zero net spend what H&G were roundly castigated for in the last year of their reign? As for genuinely improving the squad, well that's highly subjective - you definitely haven't improved your finishing ability, having sold the players who scored over a third of your goals last season...
Never tried to claim it, how long did you spend investigating, you are great at using google. Urban dictionary Swarbs = Manc git. Always has the last word.
It took about 15 seconds. I couldn't resist after I saw one of your own fans calling you up on it. The shame of being found out as a plastic by someone who supports the same club...even KPR would hang his head... P.S. Did you really spend an hour and a half waiting around on this thread just to see me reply? If so, I'm very sorry. I would have replied earlier but I was enjoying a nice glass of Errazuriz and a particularly fine episode of Midsomer Murders.
Lies, you where watching a rerun of the Liverpool Stoke game. We all know you are a closet LFC fan, just admit it!
Just had a thought... When did EMF (KPR's alter ego) get banned or whatever it was? This guy has only been a member since October...
Well this is my last comment for the evening, and in the true sprit of KPR - United are a team in crisis, the midfield is run by a man having an affair with his own brother and the other a man dragged out of retirement. Can Fergie get any more desperate? Liverpool will dominte United in the FA cup and league. United best chance of achieving anything will be the channel 5 cup, but they are not even good enough for that!
