I liked Nigel, until I found out he was full of **** and now I'm really pleased he's gone. Looking back at his time with us, I'd say we owed Walsh a debt of gratitude and owed Nigel nothing.
Without Nigel you couldn't have the other though....... I still stand by what i said, they did a good job whilst they where here. He helped get rid of some of the troublemakers and he put us on the path to where we are now, and i will always stick up for him in that respect. One thing i will say is this, the positivity around the club at the moment is brilliant. The fans as a whole have got behind NB so much, and i think his style of football has actually helped the fans adapt to him so easily. Hopefully over time he will develop as a manager, as his substitutes and tactics today where spot on in the second half. Yet under NP i do not think we would ever have had this positivity, yet i still think we would have had the same outcome in getting to the play offs. To leicester fans, i don't hold anything against you just try not to spam our board, and i won't on yours.
I agree with what you say. NP left us with a good team only his style was wrong. (for us) Nick would agree also and thank him for what he left and that he left. If people have the chance to get a better living through an increase in salary and what they think is a better job they may be classed as foolish if they didn't take it. I just don't like the way he left.
Firstly, on the topic of the thread (I know, a comment about the original subject matter. Crazy isn't it!), I think most of us said that what would be key was how much Billy valued his loyalty to Donny and, listening to Dean Saunders' post match interview, it seems that they've said that Billy will repay the loyalty shown to him by trying to help Donny survive before moving on in the summer, probably to the Prem. No problems there and I think we can understand why he did it. Had we been a Soton or West Ham it might have been different but we don't look like we're going to go up so I'm not really surprised. As for the whole Barmby vs Pearson thing, I think it sums up quite well the tribalism of a football supporter. Obviously (and you will have to forgive me for generalising a tad for this next bit), Hull fans will back what their club has done and back their current manager and why wouldn't they because they have a club legend in charge who, so far, seems to be doing quite a good job. Whereas we will obviously back a manager who got us out of a very sticky situation the last time he was here and, for really the first time since MON, made people proud to be an LCFC fan and someone we know can do a good job. However, turn the clocks back six months or so to the summer when all this kicked off and I seem to remember that 'some' Leicester fans were saying how they'd rather have Sven than Pearson and Hull fans obviously backed their then manager and saying how he'd done a good job to turn them around. I know I can't really comment too much about Barmby and how he's done but, on the face of it, he has had a good start albeit with a squad, and a good squad as stated by the Hull fans when NP was their manager, built by Nigel Pearson and/or people that wouldn't have been at the club had it not been for Nigel Pearson. He was also well regarded by the players, as shown by Liam Rosenior coming out and saying the squad would be 'gutted' if he left. As for Nigel in his return here, well, Nigel used a quote, and a very apt quote I felt, that we had 'Delusions of Grandeur' and I for one must admit that I was guilty in the summer of over-estimating this squad's capabilities (don't get me wrong, I still think we're under-achieving) and maybe the fact is that Sven, on the whole, bought a squad of average players and didn't spend the money very well and I think the sooner we accept that, the sooner we can get rid of this horrible atmosphere and expectancy that lingers around the KP every matchday. I've always said that it's hard to judge a manager until he's had at least one transfer window (ideally a summer one) to work with. There are very few managers who can go into a mediocre squad and turn it around straight away (like Martin O'Neill). Right now, Nigel must take some - not all - of the credit for Hull's success this season in the same way Sven must take some of the blame for ours. I'm sure, albeit through gritted teeth and were it not for this fierce Leicester vs Hull 'my club's bigger than yours' debate that we always seem to get entangled in, Hull fans would admit that Nigel did a successful job for them to turn them around and point them in the direction they are now. When I look at the table now, I see club's like Burnley and like Middlesbrough where managers have had to have time to build there own squads after inheriting under-performing sides and now are reaping the benefits from it. Tony Mowbray's team were still lower-to-mid table for the remainder of the season he took over and took him a January and a summer to build a side in his image to take them to where they are. I think the same thing happened with Pearson at Hull - it took him time to build the side they have now. Pearson has to have a squad that buy into his ethos for him to be successful and so far he hasn't got that and so we're bound to get these inconsistencies. So, if we are to get promoted, I think realistically we should look at the example of someone like 'Boro to whom we can draw a few parallelsand look at next season because I still feel we have a manager who is capable of doing well in this league as he showed with us and as he was showing at Hull. All in all, yes whilst we as football fans like to think of the here and now, it's too early to laud Barmby as a success in the same way that it is premature to dub Nigel as a failure.
We owe NP and his team a debt of gratitude, we needed an experienced and professional manager to sort out the mess that came out of the EPL. Under extraordinary circumstances he got rid of old over paid hasbeens and brought in young hungry players with real potential which we are now enjoying. I'll always be grateful for turning our club around. Yes I was disappointed when he left, after seeing what's happened since I'm of the opinion he left at the right time. As for his new venture? Fuk him I hope it and Leicester go tits up! UTT
Can't argue with that, it's a good post. But you won't find anyone on here who'd have him back, which must tell you something.
NP did a great job for us, that's a fact. It's massively exaggerated that he was so negative with our team. Apart from dj there was hardly anyone on here saying that when he was our manager, it's just become the cool thing to say since he left. The fact is that for the last few months under NP, just like under NB now, we were a great footballing side and just lacked someone to finish the masses of chances we created. That said, NP was a dick for the way he left us. I will never agree with anyone who tells me we would all go to a weaker team for more money (when you're already on an amazing amount of money). The guy not only sold out for purely financial reasons, but also lied to several people including the players about doing so. Which is what makes him a **** (combined with his immensely childish behaviour re: Stewart since leaving) and why our owners hold such a grudge against him. Also, Leicester may not hold any historic link with us, but I don't give a ****. I hate the way their club go about things and I find the majority of their fans to be ****ers. I find it similar to the rivalry we had with Stoke when in the PL; they were a set of ****s too.
I'm not surprised given how Barmby has started, given the status he has at the club, given, as I mentioned, the tribalism of football and also given the way NP left. But if you're of the same opinion in a years time (when hopefully all this has died down and when Barmby has had a couple of transfer windows) then we can truly say Barby has done a good job. I actually hope he does mind because we could do with some good young English managers coming through .
He was never gonnajoin you.. and i knew that.. Was always preferably join saints but we don't want him!! Dedication to doncaster.. Full respects to him!
Great post, no really I mean it, even the last sentence makes perfect sense, as long as you're a supporter of any other club than Hull City that is. Nick Barmby is one of our own, as I'm sure you are aware, and whether it's premature or not to laud his success the fact is that he will be given as much time by the fans as it takes to get it right, and get it right he will. Can you say the same about your 'supporters? You only need to glimpse on Fcukstalk to see what the idiots are saying about Pearson already, what they want is someone with a magic wand, well I'm afraid that MON has just taken up a new post and Nick Barmby ain't going anywhere. As is becoming a common theme, I would concur that my greatest annoyance at Nigel Pearson was the way in which he left. To be fair the guy is obviously a fairly good actor as I thought that he had a strong loyal streak, it just goes to prove how wrong one can be, whilst on this subject it may pay you to take notes as, if he doesn't fail royally at Leicester, you can, at some point in the future, expect the same treatment that he seemingly gave to us at the first sign of an extra few Bahts, and this is why Nigel Pearson epitomises everything that is wrong with football today. As for us, we have Nick Barmby, he one of our own!
I'm not so sure Nigel can take all the credit he appears to receive for his transfer action at Hull. I believe Warren Joyce was instrumental in the Man.Utd youngsters joining.Of the others Rosenior,Fryatt,Hobbs and Mclean have been positive , but were would other people place .....Solano,Harper,Adebola,Simpson,Belaid,Gulascsi,etc. Fryatt and Hobbs were "Known quantities" and McLean although consistent isn't a goal scoring machine. Hull had some devestating and dire performances under Nigel losing at home to poor Scunthorpe and Sheff Utd teams and away massacres at Donny and Millwall early in Nigel's term with us .He got them working better together but the quality of the football was just as clueless and dire which didn't excite most of the fans. It now appears that the same scenario is continuing at the King Power .Your Thai owners may need a lot more patience and be happy with dour football to enable Nigel to steady the ship ........................but WILL THEY ? He may not spend like Sven but he is just as vulnerable.
Was it Nigel or was it Adam Pearson using the link between Hull City and Warren Joyce who got the players. I think it may be the Latter as Nige has proved he couldn't attract a leaper with this window
I disagree that it's become cool. The majority of football we watched under Pearson was awful, dull and like having teeth pulled. Our goals scored column was well below a goal a game, meaning if the opposition scored more than once, then you were unlikely to get any points from the game. It would be interesting to know who was actually key in us signing all the Man U kids, I'd wager it was more to do with Warren Joyce than it was Nigel Pearson. This is a manager who insisted playing Koren as a ****ing winger? He's a manager who thought Belaid, Harper, Adebola, Amoo and Gulasci would all 'improve' the squad. Leicester have a good pool of players, SGE was getting more from them than Pearson, which to me says more about Pearson and his inability to manage Ego's. He'll be lucky to get the chance next season with Leicester.
lets try and bring this back to sharp. its a shame, but i always suspected this would happned, cant blame the lad.
Fourth official doesnt think its dead yet. Me im not sure Maybe this is Sharps way of getting better wages
