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FA Cup 4th Round: Liverpool v Manchester Utd

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Zingy, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. terrifictraore

    terrifictraore Well-Known Member

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    What planet are you on? Play like you did at anfield and you will be very lucky to get away with a draw. As you were at anfield strangely enough.
     
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  2. Swarbs

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    Poor finishing? Failure to put the ball in the net? Liverpool?

    Where have I heard that before? ;)

    To be fair, you didn't have a whole lot of attacking options! And as City showed against us, even when they are playing poorly and not showing much they have the players to turn it around quickly. Much better for you to not risk conceding, particularly with no Maxi or Suarez. City will have to take risks against you at Anfield now.
     
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  3. BCR

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    Will Suarez be back for the FA cup tie?
     
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  4. DayDoDoeDontDayDoe

    DayDoDoeDontDayDoe Well-Known Member

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    Not less theres a replay

    The games he misses now are

    Citeh CC cup semi 2nd leg
    United FA Cup 4th rd
    Bolton and Wolves away in League
    Stoke at home in League

    Hes already missed 4 games, doesnt seem like that
     
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  5. suarezlfc

    suarezlfc Active Member

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    One of those (Newcastle) was a separate suspension though. So he's missed City, Oldham, City so far.

    Edit: Just saw you but Bolton and Wolves on one line. Thought you'd only listed 4 games, my mistake.
     
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  6. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    The sooner he's back, the better. We lack that spark up front, and I believed that Man City were there for the taking. Don't get me wrong, a 1-0 win at the Etihad is very good but I felt we could have effectively 'ended' the tie in the first leg. I didn't take too kind to our defensive tactics which invited pressure in the second half but it was an efficient performance and a job well done.

    Carroll - He's been here for a year but still looks unfit and lethargic. People keep saying he needs a run of games to improve his sharpness but I don't understand why. Does he not train hard enough during the week? But then again, the service to him wasn't that great but do we really need a striker who is that one dimensional that he cannot perform unless someone puts the ball perfectly on his head?

    I hope Kenny does bring in some attackers this month - Junior Hoillet would be a welcome addition in my opinion.
     
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  7. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    Carroll will come good, though I have to agree that it's taking a long time. Last night wasn't so much a question of service but rather who to service! - well in the 2nd half anyway.

    Remember all the stick that Lucas took. I think it's going to be next season before Carroll will be able to show us exactly what he has got for us.
     
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  8. Chief

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    How much did Lucas cost again Dave?
     
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  9. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    True - I still consider him a youngster as I do with Henderson and that they need time. I just don't agree with Kenny using him as our main, front line striker at this moment in time (not that we have a chice) which is putting more pressure on the lad. I think we need to take our time and nuture him so he can develop his game instead of being one dimensional but in order to do that, we need another striker who CAN play right now.
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    let me answer... a lot less than anderson!

    no but seriously.. city were missing silva, kompany and yaya... kolo was no loss. we missed lucas and suarez so the truth of the matte ris man city with dejong, milner, barry and johnson are distinctly average in midfield.

    If liverpool can do that in the first half to city away from home with that midfiled isn't it reasonable to say they have the potential at least to go do the same to utds midifled as it stands? Mind you utd won't have bad on telly up top though....

    carroll, MIGHT come good but the state of that performance up top shows a guy either not bothered or so depressed he can't function. The effort alone is a stark contrast to how lucas worked and worked to beat the critics. Carroll has his chance to give it a go, no better time to put some effort in and he barely jogs about then the about 10% of the time he might win a ball he gave it away in his lay off.
     
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  11. Foredeckdave

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    I can honestly say that I don't remember and its too hot here to bother searching :biggrin:

    The point I was trying to make is that the price tag makes no difference. Players like both Carroll and Lucas appear to need time to develop into the the players that we expect/want them to be. Like Harry Worth used to say " I don't know why but there it is" (you may have to Google that reference though!)
     
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  12. Jonesey

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    Lucas was signed for £5Million on 26/7/2007
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    it depends, lucas was mooted anywhere between 5.5mil to 8mil depedning on additons and guesswork etc.

    anyway you cut it carroll needs to work harder. 35mil is not his issue unless he makes it so.
     
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  14. Chief

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    Explain the relevance of that if you will.


    Otherwise my question is perfectly relevant given that Lucas we now know cost £5 mill. Carroll, at £35 mill, is expected to make an impact a lot, lot quicker.
    For £35 million you are pretty much buying a finished article.

    Or should be.
     
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  15. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    it had no releavnce whatsoever to be honest, merely a sly dig at anderson for the laugh.

    I'd agree you should get the finsihed article at 35mil... like aguero and that the additional pressure comparing a 5-8mil buy who was under a lot of pressure to that of a lad the same age at 35mil is a burden.

    In the end if carroll moved for 10mil not many would be over critical (I would be of his work rate last night personally) but 35mil is the fault of the club not the player.

    My second half to the point was to show hey he might indeed come good in a year like dave said but i feel he needs to work a lot harder, like the effort lucas put in to make it happen.

    ................

    on a spearate note i am wondering if we are on the cusp of the bubble bursting in terms of fees and wages. The hyper inflation has gone on for a long long time now and i am seeing some clubs just no longer able to keep up. When will we be looking at players who cost this much moeny just not being the case any more?
     
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  16. Chief

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    One way of bringing Anderson into the conversation is that for the £18 million we spent on him I would have expected a hell of a lot more by now.

    If he'd cost £35 million I'd be going bananas.
     
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  17. Jason Hudson

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    Anderson has played 60 less games in the same sort of time he's been in England than Lucas and he's had lots of injuries, stemming back from his broken leg at Porto. Both have had fantastic starts to the season however.

    With Carroll, the price tag meant he had to perform straight away. I'm 100% sure that if you had bought him for half that, so around £17m, that would a) be a much fairer price due to his ability/form and potential at the time and b) the expectation might have been lower, look at Henderson. To be honest, I'm not sure how he has been rated so far with Liverpool fans, he looked pretty average last night (but that's not a fair assesment tbh) but maybe because he wasn't £20m+ (still expensive nonetheless) there isn't that price tag weighing him down or why he's not had the media spotlight on him.

    But you have to be fair, if there is something there, even if its a glimpse of talent then you can work with it. That's my ethos, I know some people are far less patient or expect more straight away from some players. And that is what I see with Anderson. It's my opinion, people can look at me with a blinkered "fan boy" view but he offers something that noone else in our squad does and he's shown it on numerous occasions. Whether people see that or see someone who doesn't control the pitch like Ronaldinho circa 2006, its up to them. It's a similar thing with Carroll I guess, you can look at him as a powerhouse, big and strong, something to exploit the opposition or you can say he's useless with how we play.
     
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  18. saintanton

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    Surely the issue of Carroll's price tag has been done to death- why keep banging on about it if not just to have a dig?
    It's not his fault how much other people decided his services are worth. It is his responsibility as a professional to do the best he can, no matter what his perceived value. If he doesn't seem to do that, there is a problem that needs to be addressed- my own belief is that he never wanted to leave Newcastle and has lost his enthusiasm for the game.
    The only relevance to the price tag is that because of it people do expect him to be the finished article, something he himself never claimed.
    Some people think he's bound to come good, some aren't so sure- we'll have to wait and see.
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    agreed.

    all the terms like panic buy, rip off, bungled etc can certainly be levelled at LFC.

    We bought a player with a serious injury for way over the odds on the final day of the transfer window... rumoured that someone else turned us down (llorente) It was a big gamble.

    football is results driven so while kenny said he was bought for 5 years not 6 months but thats 7 mil per year and in effect we paid 7mil plus wages for about 7 goals.

    he needs to do a lot more work to prove himself, cos lets face it take the moeny away and its all about work ethic... henderson never stops running, he'll prove himself.Lucas never stops working, he proved himself. Carroll doesn't start running half the time and thats what annoys people.
     
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  20. Chief

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    No one is saying that he himself came along and claimed to be a £35 million player, far from it. But with that price tag so the level of expectation rises, it has to.
    This is levelled at the club, not the player, but have you really got time to 'see how it goes' when 35 million pounds has been spent on one player? I'd suggest not and you do at least expect a higher level of effort for your money, as mito points out.

    This is where the parallel with Anderson is very relevant, I don't see the effort from Anderson at all. No way enough, I know this languid approach is in some players but to me he seems completely half arsed in everything he does. I haven't really watched Caroll enough to say likewise.
     
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