seems like your trying to shift the blame onto someone or something else...or are you trying to soften a blow? Everything you said still means that you have a player who got found guilty of racism and racist fans to boot. im sure not all your fans are racist but i did find it baffling that a black player was visibly upset due to one individual racially taunting him....so what did the rest of the surrounding crowd do? start singing suarez songs looks like they were revelling in it!
and dont tell me it was a coincidence that they were singing a song dedicated to one of their 'heroes' at the same time this racist event happen to occur.
Wait there, so you are claiming that the majority of the kop and other parts of the ground all suddenly realised that this man was crying because he thought he had heard racist abuse and then ALL of those people decided it would be a good time to sing the suarez song to piss him off even more? You're not very sensible are you?
The point was it wasn't a racist remark. Suarez is called "negro" by his own wife because he's darker than her. No doubt you'll accuse her of racially abusing him
I'm sure Mrs Suarez uses it as a term of affection, now if she was in a bar having an argument with Janet Jackson and said the same thing what would you say - its all about context. Liverpool fans should just take their medicine and stop whining like babies, there reputation & respect in the footballing world is going down the plug hole and they just don't realise enough is enough. Suarez guilty of using racist language (not being a racist) a Liverpool fan arrested for racially abusing a football fan - these are facts, not opinions, not conjecture but facts. Now if your club had just accepted the FA's verdict you might have had some high ground left to argue about the length of the ban, but no Dalglish shoots from the lip(seems like a job for Mulder and Scully) and the t-shirt incident means LFC have dug themselves into a hole so deep that you have no room to climb out. Could you not see where this these protestations of innocence were leading, well it happened - one idiot sees this as a licence to do a "Suarez" and abuse another coloured player.................. Your still in the hole, stop digging, LFC's reputation is everything and its getting tarnished beyond re-polishing.
You used "coloured" obviously you haven't kept up with your race relations pc in & out words. Apparently it's no longer acceptable. LFC have cooperated fully with the police & the "fan" has been arrested where he will enjoy a proper justice system. If found guilty, I have every confidence LFC will ban them for life. Not going over Suarez issue again as done to death other than most LFC fans on here aren't disputing that the FA found Suarez guilty but are disputing the manner in which it was done. You'll also find that many LFC fans agree that the club handled aspects badly but in our opinion so did the FA, the media & yes Evra in how he brought about the accusations. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/crime/football-arrests-banning-orders/fbo-2010-11?view=Binary I think these facts prove a nonsense of your argument as well as lack of common sense. Is LFC & Suarez responsible for encouraging all of the racist incidents in that report? Of course not. If this man shouted abuse he did it on his own as a grown adult. The only thing the Suarez case has done is shine a spotlight on every potential incident at LFC whereas this report suggests the problem should be focused on other clubs than just ours & I would argue that the figures show that it (premier league) maybe isn't the hot bed of racism some are suggesting. Another interesting statistics is that the BNP only garnered 5.35% in Liverpool council elections which lost them their deposits. Doesn't suggest there is a large core of the clubs feeder society have racist tendencies either. Let's have some perspective here. But that wouldn't fit into your stupid sweeping generalizations would it?
yes thats what im saying....im sure you watched the match...now go and watch it without your red tints on it wasnt the whole ground it was the people surrounding the person who made the racist remark...get a grip your so blind and obviously scraping the barrel for excuses.
Tell you what frank, you just keep your head in the sand mate- we are all wrong and everyone in Liverpool is right, there you go, happy now - your obviously still defensive over Suarez. How long before we see some scousers wearing a t-shirt with this fans name on it - and who started that trend then? Which part of "one idiot" do you interpret as "sweeping generilzation".-LFC has made a rod for its own back and you only need one idiot(sorry I don't know of any other way of making it any less of a generilization than that, but you do seem to struggle with it) to allow the media to take that rod and use it to beat LFC with it. I also said racially abusing a fan when it was a player, but you did not notice due to red tinted glasses.
Sounds like the Liverpool fans got swept along in the moment, which was a mistake but they are not all racist
Mackemman Your post was littered with "your" . The style of your post was an address to Liverpool fans non specific, the content was one large accusation so you were, in fact, making an assumptive generalization about the opinions of all Liverpool fans & telling "them" what they should do. I was pointing out that not all Liverpool fans have the same view of what happened over the last month I'm not in the least defensive about the "Suarez" incident as I have no need to be. I have in previous posts outlined my concerns/thoughts about the matter but the specific event is over; nothing I say will change the outcome. Your reply again makes large scale presumptions about my views on the matter when my original post didn't include them. The only opinion I expressed was that people like you are making dangerous assumptions about an entire group of people based on your own existing tribal bigotry; clearly shown in the condscending nature of your posts. While you have indeed been more specific in your reply (accusing me of wearing "red tinted glasses" & "burying my head in the sand") you've adopted a presumptive manner which again suggests you read my post with an interpretation already in place about me, my fellow fans & the club we support. If you would actually like to know my thoughts on the events go & read them as well as those of many of my fellow supporters. But you don't do you? That might actually challenge your prejudiced view.
Bloody hell, a quarter brain cell would do ! The point is, it IS a racist remark, even if your star ignorant non most recent aborigine, and you, think it's not. Dunno what his Mrs has got to do with it, unless Kenny is spending 35 mill on her to replace Donkey. Even then, if she were playing up front with Saurez and were to shout " Over 'ere Negro, on me 'ead " and an away supporter took offence ( clearly unlikely to be a anfield regular ) she still might end up in a spot of bother.
Not a fooking chance, strangely enough that is about the same chance of you posting anything sensible.
frank, your just picking fault to detract from the points I have made. I could point out your own sweeping generalization, i.e "people like you" not to mention your assumption of "tribal bigotry" , but why bother, your right anyone who disagrees is wrong.
No Mac; I'm picking faults WITH the points you made after giving you the respect of reading them. I didn't assume tribal bigotry; "people like you" is a specific group of people that have have come to Liverpool boards (almost to a person supporting other teams )& branded LFC racists. When any LFC fan has attempted to point to flaws in what is being reported as "fact" we are automatically accused of supporting racism simply on the grounds that we are LFC supporters. What we are trying to say is not even considered, it's is instantly dismissed: because we are LFC supporters. Now I can point to a number who haven't done that; mostly United supporters believe it or not, who took the time to read, they may still disagree but they showed the mutual respect due from one human being to another; So far you are not one of them Mac. You've simply regurgitated sound bites from the media and other abusers: it's sad & quite frankly it's lazy, I'm surprised you could find the energy to find our board at all! And yes you don't bother because YOU (not a general anyone) are wrong. Not because you disagree with me; you've not once done that. That requires you to have taken the time to find out what I believe. You still can, but like I said I don't think that's why you are here. Please; I'd like nothing better than for you to prove me wrong: I won't even mind if you ACTUALLY disagree with me in the end, you'll at least have stopped being another sheep to the trash that has become British journalism.
TBH, all you'd need is the ticket to the home end - the press aren't exactly known for deep investigate work on knee-jerk sensationalised stories. It'd be yob in home end arrested for racial abuse. The followup, if any, would be minimal. The mob isn't interested in whys and wherefores, they just want to be told where to hate... This is why the News of the Screws was so popular, and why the S*n still is. Point them at the *****s and let the mod run, even when the ***** in question turns out to be a paediatrician...
