In certain situations, the only way you can make a tackle is 'studs first.' If the guy is directly in front of you with the ball, tell me how you can slide tackle him without showing your studs? You can't unless you fancy tearing the ligaments in your knees. If you watch Kompany's today, he doesn't 'throw' himself in or any of this. He actually drops almost vertically down to the floor because he hasn't got time to bend his knees and get in position. Add to that he wins the ball cleanly, and is fully in control of what he is doing, and even a yellow would be harsh. You can't (or rather, shouldn't) give a red simply because a tackle 'looked' a bit dangerous. If you freeze frame any given slide tackle, 90% of them will show you a player with both feet off the floor at some point.
His reaction of jumping out of the way? Contact does not have to be made for it to justify a red card (not saying ti was or wasn't just pointing that out), and Rooney pointed out it was 2 footed as many other players do in similar circumstances, Liverpool players included, but if we accuse them of being classless you would probably just go and print a shirt out to defend them.
You slide on your side, with your toe pointed so your studs are away from the player. Like this: please log in to view this image Alternatively, if you have to show your studs you make sure your trailing leg is on the floor and you are in control of your movements at the point at which you make the tackle. I don't think Kompany should have gone, but he could have changed the angle of his body to keep one leg on the floor and thus meant there was absolutely no chance of the ref showing the red.
That picture shows a guy coming in from the side. I said when the guy is directly in front of you. If you slide forwards into him, your studs will be showing. Sure, you can point your toe, but most players don't do it simply because they don't have time to think. p.s - in that photo the guys studs aren't facing away from the player. The direction the tackled player was running is towards the left of the photo. The tackler's studs are on the right, hence when the tackle was made they were facing towards the other player. For his studs not to be 'showing' the tackler would have his back to camera.
If you slide directly towards a guy with your body position like that guy's is then you won't show your studs. Couldn't find a decent picture of that in a head on tackle, largely because most players don't slide in a head on situation - there's too much chance of the ball getting away and the other guy running round them. True, but then that's not really a defence in my opinion. When you play football you should always be thinking about the other player's safety. Better to pull out of a tackle than risk breaking someone's leg and getting sent off imo.
May be we'll **** you as we usually do, idiot. With due respect to swarbs he has his opinion and I have mine. so we will agree to differ. Just like among the commentators today there was divided opinion. About 50% of the pundits thought that he was taking a risk with going 2 footed and thought that although he did not make contact the referee was WELL WITHIN his rights to dismiss him. Others thought the decision was harsh.
I think it is a simple argument. You tackle with one foot not two. If you tackle with two feet it is a red card regardless of if you make contact with a player. Kompany was a nailed on red card as was Spearings tackle. Added the Spearing thing to show that I'm not being biased.
That argument falls down a little when you consider ones like Evans vs Holden last year - Jonny went in with only one foot, but his studs were raised and he injured the player. Definite red. Likewise with the Carragher one on Nani. To my mind the studs are the most important thing. If you concentrate all your momentum into a tiny bit of metal you effectively turn your body into a piledriver. Which is a very bad thing. If you can't go in for a slide tackle without avoiding the other player with your studs, or at least controlling your momentum, don't go in for the tackle.
Know what you mean, my point being you can't use both feet to tackle. There may be times when a one foot tackle is still a red but imo once you use both feet it's red regardless of contact, like Kompany today.
That would probably simplify the whole thing, but then what if you are nowhere near coming into contact with the player and are going for a ball that is a good yard or so away from them? I don't see anything wrong with going for the ball with two feet if you are not putting anyone in danger - there was almost no chance of Kompany injuring Nani today. Also what if you start a tackle with both feet and then pull one foot out of the way? I can understand the argument for it, but then for me it seems to take the game a bit too far towards the point at which slide tackles will be all but outlawed.
Kompany may have got the red for scissor action with the two footed tackle, similar to type of tackle Wenger had a thing for a season or two ago. Kompany's right foot gets the ball but his left foot traps the ball, plus his studs were showing. Still think a red was uncalled for as I dont think Nani was ever getting the ball.
harsh sending off i thought, my mate reckons ferdy should have been send off also for pulling richards back when he was last man, what you think?
^ some common sense. A player can kick a ball that is head height but not if an opponent is standing next to him. Kompany went in because he knew he could get there first making it not a challenge at all, two players make a challenge, Kompany collected the ball and the player skipped over him, the ref thought it was far closer and made a mistake. That that cannot be seen in clear evidence is shocking by you lot but expected of mancs, conspiracy, bollox, the refs angle on the tackle and Rooney's reaction are what produced the red and not what Kompany did though in hindsight it is easy to try justify the red on his feet where they were regardless of absolute 0 chance of him getting the opponent. And the usual crap I have to read from Comas and Berb, where's that ignore button? anyone?
I'd agree with all of that except the Rooney reaction. I have no idea why everyone's so convinced that players have so much power over the ref. The amount of appeals for cards and fouls that happen in every game is so high that refs automatically tune out on the players. Otherwise we'd have had Evra's penalty when Rooney and others appealed to the ref, Giggs would have been sent off after all the City players appealing following the Aguero challenge, similar for the City claims when the ball hit Jones' arm. Refs are easily able to make their own mistakes, player pressure doesn't come into it imo.
Look at the footage, rooney didnt wave an imaginary card at all he clearly turns his hand the other way round with 2 fingers while saying it was 2 footed
