Same old problems

“Why is it that ineradicable impulse of the human mind always impels us to foul our own nest?”

Cicero, Roman statesman elected Consul in 63 BC, posed this question over 2,000 years ago, and this impulse is still as strong as ever. Yet again we are all on here ripping ourselves, our team and our manager apart. I can’t see many seriously disputing that Neil Warnock knows more about football management than all of us combined. Do we really know about the dynamic in the dressing room, the accurate position with regard to player’s fitness levels or even the genuine situation with regard to any impending transfers? Of course we don’t.

I have a lot of respect for the opinions of certain posters on this forum. If Col thinks Warnock has lost the dressing room then I’m prepared to believe there is a serious issue which needs addressing. I would just question if it is the whole dressing room or just certain elements? I don’t see Helguson, Mackie or Young, to pick 3 names out of the air, as temperamental (by footballer’s standards at least), so is it just Barton that he has lost? It is time for the Warnock players like Derry, Hill and Kenny to stand up for their manager, they, like us, would not be “enjoying” Premier League football without him.

Clearly we are all free to speculate on all issues regarding Queens Park Rangers, however we must all remember at all times that it is only speculation. We seem to have all decided we know exactly what is going on, but are really just going around in ever decreasing circles. Hopefully now yesterday’s feelings of desperation and frustration have subsided a little and we can start picking ourselves up again. The current voting in the “Defining Success – This Season” poll shows that 80% of us regard purely survival as a successful season, let’s keep this in mind. One small spark could ignite our season and it would be absolutely typical of QPR to now go and win at Newcastle on Sunday.

I’m not convinced if this actually conveys what I’m feeling and trying to say. I’ve been on the verge of delete this rather than clicking on the submit new thread button, but I know I’ll only try to write it again later, though maybe in a more concise manner. I passionately love my club and I detest seeing some much negativity, though I thoroughly understand it. Whoever is in charge and whoever is in the team, regardless of formation and tactics, it is essential that we all get behind the team against Wigan on Saturday week. No booing, no jeering, no exceptions. Unlike the Roman’s who Cicero complained about whose criticisms were based on greed and self serving, ours are based on a shared passion, let’s get out there against Wigan and show it.

 

That's an excellent piece of writing Roller. I think this is a very difficult predicament, with TF and the board torn between giving NW the time he almost certainly deserves and getting someone new in before it's too late!
I obviously can't know for sure whether the dressing room has been lost, but there does seem to be a lot of information coming out that suggests that. I'm also with you that it almost certainly started with the new additions, one in particular, upsetting the team spirit.
I said yesterday that the body language of some of the players looked all wrong from the moment they got off the bus. Someone else, who was sat behind the dug-out, has said things didn't look right between NW and the players. This could all be all smoke and no fire....I don't know! But I know what my instinct is and that is that there's something not right. My instinct also is that we should let NW get his new players in and see where we are by mid Feb. The problem is....it could all be too late by then. As I say, a difficult predicament! It is all typical QPR though isn't it? We have money to spend and we look like we're after some decent players....but who will want to come to us with all this going on?!!

 

Was it ever any different down at Loftus Road? We've always struggled to achieve normality, I don't see that ever changing tbh

 

Another brillant post Roller 100% behind your sentiments it really is starting to grate at me coming onto this board with so many negative threads stiring everyone up into a frenzy, or at least so it appears. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion because football is all about difference of opinions but I can not go along with knee jerk reactions nor can I abide vicious and nonsensical comments that are seem purely out to harm my team, players or manager it simply makes no sense.

I also think that I'm not alone as I have noticed the fading away of some very good positive posters that may have decided, like me, is it really worth trying to enter into a debate where the rationale has gone out of the windows.

 

That's well over-the top imo and I'm not sure Roller was saying much of what you describe either!
This is a forum for debate!!

 

Col, this is how I see it and how I feel about numerous posts on here at the moment in time and if it is a forum for debate well surely I am entitled to my opinion and if I contrue Rollers post this way again it is how I see it, plesae don't slag me off for having an opinion!!

 

The reason behind so many negative posts towards NW is that it is plain to see things are not right.Players out of position,never the same team,same old faces in week in week out ie Hall,players recruited and then sitting on the bench,playing 3 defensive midfiielders at home-I could go on and on.If thats the football ive paid £759 to watch I want some money back or somebody in charge whos going to bring some enjoyment into my life on a saturday,win lose or draw.Personally Warnock did a great job getting us promoted although I thought the football last year was pretty dire at times but that doesnt mean I want him there in a division on which imo he i totally out of his depth.You cannot keep him because he did a good job last year.Yes,that just about sums it up.

 

A work worthy of an academic, Roller! We're dividing into two camps, at least on this board. With each poor performance, the Warnock-Out camp gets a little bigger, his greatest admirers staying silent. Tony Fernandes is finding out just what it is to own a football club. If he stays with Warnock and results stay as they are, he will be accused of being weak. If he changes too soon, he may bring in someone who is a barely adequate replacement. However, he should be shortlisting the candidates now imo, and making discrete enquiries. It wouldn't be prudent to do less. He must be prepared for the worst.

I hope the next few games (and more) go our way, but if they don't and fans on the terraces get restless, I hope they remember two things - what Warnock has done for us, and that we are not Blackburn fans

 

Nice post Roller - good debate opener.

Speaking from the opposing side of the dialectic, we are not the ones fouling our nest are we? We're the audience the Emperor looks to before deciding whether it's gonna be thumbs up or down. The one thing the crowd doesn't like is having to troop down to the coliseum only to be met with the sight of lack lustre gladiators or can't be arsed, over-fed lions.

Are we to fiddle whilst Rome burns?

 

I suggest Warnock gets a new toga and arranges for Adel to be thrown to the lions!...

 

This Theres never smoke without fire, no need to go there.

Well written Roller, and as Brix say; good debate opener.

When it comes to Warnock, i'm clueless?! I'm in neither camp really, my opinion changes at a daily basis. Would love it for him to succeed, but Col is on to something, bad omens indeed.

 

I wasn't slagging you off for having an opinion. I was simply saying that I thought your opinion was over-the-top! ( In my opinion!! )

 

Very good post. It's also refreshing to see some good grammar!

I've been criticising some posters on this board recently and I've criticised them very clearly and cleanly and those posts have often gone ignored.

Those posts have mainly said "honestly, what do you know about the situation as a spectator of the sport? More than Warnock? More than Tony Fernandes?"

Buying tickets to games doesn't give us the right to decide the fate of what goes on at the club, unfortunately. If you want to have some say, buy some shares; try and get in that way. At the end of the day, though, you pay to spectate and nothing more. You have no choice but to simply spectate.

Please, stop spitting on the back of my head at games while you're shouting at Warnock, thanks!

 

I think that's rubbish!! I spent £1,500 quid on season tickets this season and, whilst I would never boo or sing against the manager and/or players at games, I have every right to give my opinions on everything to do with the club.
Of course I can't influence anything like who signs or who the manager is, but I'm more than entitled to give my opinions!!

 

Buying tickets to a spectator event gives you the right to be critical either positive or negative.Surprisingly thats how the event organisers know if they have a good product or not.It would be a funny old world if we all went to events,stood there,no clapping ,no cheering etc etc.The idea of a forum is for fans of this club to voice there concerns and ideas.I would be very surprised if anybody on here thought they were having any influence on what happens within the club.

 

Good job awjm isnt running things,we,d all be shot for voicing our concerns.

 

Thank you to those you have said kind words about my post. The quote from Cicero was lodged in my head from I book I read over the Christmas period (Lustrom by Robert Harris – but do read Imperium first). I knew it would come in handy very soon.

The post was mainly born mainly out of frustration. Frustration with the players, the manager and this forum, frustration undoubtedly shared by the players, the manger, this forum and the owners. My frustration, however, is mainly with myself. I am slowly drifted towards the “Warnockers” and I hate it. He dragged our club away from relegation and then miraculously got us promoted despite all of the ongoing sideshows, so why is the gratitude dying? We’ve all supported QPR for long enough to know that it is the rockiest path in the world, none of us really expected anything other than a relegation scrap this season, we’d all struggle to name more than 5 players in the team the last time we won a match in the F.A. Cup. What more can we expect? But we do and always will. That encapsulates my frustration with myself.

My frustration with the players is straight forward. They are professional footballers so start playing football in a professional manner. Is that too much to ask? My frustration with Warnock is more complicated, but boils down to get it sorted, for the love of God, get it sorted. My frustration with this forum is also complicated. The negativity can get overwhelming. I don’t intend this as a criticism as I appreciate that everyone else is frustrated too, but as Flanman pointed out, some good posters are definitely staying away. I think Watford needs to start living up to his title!

As Col says, this is a very difficult predicament. You know what else mate, I hope the club goes with your instincts. Let Warnock sign the players he wants (within the budget set) and see where we are in mid-February. It is a good a plan as any and most post don’t offer anything vaguely resembling a plan. I still believe that we owe Warnock the opportunity to prove that he can do the job with the players he wants.

The Hawkster has a good point. We do need to remember what Warnock has done for us and we should behave accordingly. Whatever happens I am proud to support QPR. Brixton, what else can we do but fiddle?

The only ray of sunshine that I can see is that we have good men on the board. There is no one I’d rather have making the ultimate decision instead of Tony Fernandes and Amit Bhatia. I am sincerely glad it is not my decision to make.

 

If the rumours are to be believed mate, NW has gone!! 1/10 on to be sacked with the bookies!! If it's true, I'm really not sure how I'll feel tbh!!

 

At least the speculation will be over. I was just thinking that we may just received the spark we needed, maybe it has come too late for Warnock then.

 

Few in business would argue against the notion that the customer knows best. Feedback exercises are commonly central to marketing and operations theory and practice all over the world these days. ISO and other quality management accreditations place customer feedback high up in the pecking order; and many organisations spend fortunes on it.

Tony, Amit and particularly Chief Exec, Phil Beard will know all about this - and will spend time checking the consumer pulse rate knowing that dips here and blips there make all the difference financially.

Personally, if there were websites full of supportive clients discussing our company's business and services performances, I'd have an analyst on there all day long. Do not, for one minute, think that what goes on on all these MBs go unnoticed by the clubs. Yes, they can hear what the fans cheer, boo and chant at games - but MBs further articulate both pleasure and concern.

If our lot don't look in on here, WATRB or Report, they're investing blind. TF's used new technology to go a step further in consulting fans directly via Twitter hasn't he?

Don't do yourselves down. Your opinions count - particularly on key issues such as satisfaction.