You seem adament that Evra said Sudaca even though it wasn't alleged at all by anyone. What was alleged was Sudamericana. That isn't racist. Have my agreement that Suarez called Evra a negro? Once is bad enough and to be honest 8 games is the least he deserves, especially considering his and Liverpool FC's disgraceful behaviour since the verdict came out. You will be lucky if your club doesn't recieve any fines or yet more bashing from Racial Equality groups etc etc. Oh and the fairness in the ban, this is where people think the FA are run by United despite the fact that we pointed out Ferdinand recieved an 8 month ban (not for racism no a missed drugs test) while Negouai recieved a paltry £2000 fine.
Getting fed up hearing these statements that Patrice Evra has accused people of racism before. Dalglish himself is reported to have said to the ref when he heard the allegation "hasn't he done this before?" Before the match against Liverpool, Evra had accused zero people of racism. There have been two incidents involving Evra and accusations of racial insults, the only problem is that Evra did not claim in either that he was racially abused â the claims came from others. Back in 2006 case there was a claim of racial abuse by Steve Finnan, but the accusation came from a deaf fan who said he had lip-read the racial slur. However Evra declined to complain. Then there is the incident with the Chelsea groundsman, Sam Bethell. However it was Mike Phelan and Richard Hartis of Manchester Unitedâs coaching staff who said they heard the abuse. The FA themselves said âThe two witnesses who say they heard those words directed by Mr Bethell at Mr Evra are the Manchester United first team coach Mr Mike Phelan and the goalkeeping coach Mr Richard Hartis.â The FA even said that âMr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day.â So again where are the endless claims that Evra makes that people racially abuse him?
Evra admitted saying your sisters pussy and I am going to punch you AFTER he was called a negro by Suarez. Do you think he deserves a ban for that?
Suarez never admitted to calling Evra 'a negro' you don't use the word that way anyway. But that's how you like to hear it because it fits your predetermined opinion
Just being curious, what did he apologise for? What is then the offence which he now suddenly feels sorry for?
Negouai was requested to provide a urine sample during Ramadan and would have had to drink water and break his fast in order to produce the piss... Sounds like a better excuse than popping out for some shopping tho.
You're not reading the report, are you? Evra said 'Sister's Pussy' right at the start. It was the first thing said and it was pretty much agreed by everyone that Evra started the event by saying this. Even Evra admits this.
Some of you Liverpool fans are getting silly now. Suarez DID admit to using the word "negro" and used it multiple times.
Please re-read what I wrote. I did not say Evra accused anyone of racism. Actually the FA Panel on that occasion called his evidence exaggerated and unreliable. He was trying to justify his two attempts to assault the groundman with a spurious suggestion that because the groundsman was holding a piece of horticultural equipment, he thought he was going to use it to attack someone, and therefore he was acting to protect someone (twice)...
Some award winning academic who went to America's best University and has actaully been to where Suarez's from said it better than I can: "When Suárez said “¿por qué, negro?”, Evra might have assumed that as a racial insult, while Suárez—even in the heat of a discussion—could perfectly have said that as a way of normally expressing himself (not exactly to calm Evra down, but just because he normally would talk like that without thinking about it). This point is where the cultural clash seems more important, and it is working against Suárez because nobody in the jury (let alone the Daily Mail kind of media) seems to even start understanding the common way we use the term “negro” in the Rio de la Plata area. They heard their experts, and their experts explained the different options of our use of the word depending on different contexts and intentions. Then, the jury just decided that the whole thing was an equally aggressive clash by both sides, and because of that, they concluded Suárez could have not use the “negro” word to Evra in a descriptive way. Why? Their interpretation is not clear to me and doesn’t seem to be the only one possible. “¿Por qué, negro?” (after Evra said “Don’t touch me you South American” is not offensive, but a question, and a very common one indeed, where “negro” is a DESCRIPTIVE noun, not an adjective loaded with a negative connotation. I completely understand why a British or an American might start not understanding the tone or the intention from Suárez. But I myself can clearly understand the account Suárez does and it seems consistent to me. I hear it more as a common (unmarked and uncharged) addressing to Evra."
Of course he did. And Negro isn't a bad or racist word. It's the whole phrase that matters. See above post from someone who knows what they're talking about.
Rio's test day was 23 Sept, but the City lad's test was weeks before that. Ramadan in 2003 wasn't until October. The City player didn't have to break his fast until new test which was well after his proper first test which he missed. Here is a quote from the Telegraph about the incident. The real reason the City lad missed his test. He was "caught" in traffic. Apparently.
I'll ask you again, because you are ignoring the question: Now that you agree he said the word once, and given that the punishment for that as stated in the FA Panel's report is a 4 match ban, justify the 8 match ban
Smashing! Where in that quote does it say he was "caught in traffic"? Rio's ban was less than FIFA and UEFA wanted. Bringing the Rooney appeal into view for a moment, the FA had a serious conflict of interest in the Rio case - the ban could have seriously affected England's chances in Euro 2004, had the sanction been 12 months, as FIFA wanted. This is why the FA shouldn't be Gamekeeper and Poacher.
Repeated racial abuse with the specific intention of cheating and gamesmanship to wind Evra up and get him sent off
He won't; he said black once in the heat of the moment; not negro ten times in a premeditated attempt to cheat and gain advantage over a fellow human being.
