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Have other teams caught up or have top teams dropped back ?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by theHotHead, Jan 5, 2012.

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  1. BackStabbed

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    You can't buy success, the team, club and manager still have to go out there and win the games, if you could buy success then why aren't man city in the last 16 of the champions league? And why have Barca been the most dominant force in spain instead of Madrid recently even though Madrid spend far superior amounts?
    Your looking at things from the wrong point of view, your seeing it as because your manager don't spend a lot that's why you haven't won anything in 7 years, it's more the case of most of the players you have are bottlers, theirs hardly any confidence in your team. If you had confidence and wern't bottle jobs you'd be winning trophies because you easily make enough chances to win every game by the way you play.
     
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  2. District Line

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    Money has always determined success.

    The more financial muscle you have the better off you are. The last side that can claim to have won a trophy on nothing was the Forest side in the 70s that won back to back titles without buying a player.

    Wolves would not be where they are without Hayward's investment
    Wigan would not be where they are without Whelan's investment
    Stoke would not be where they are without the investment of the Coates family
    Fulham would not be where they are without the investment of Al Fayed.

    Go and look at the Championship Table. The two clubs with the most financial muscle West Ham and Southampton respectively top their divisions.

    Crawley are top of League 2 because they have Championship/League 1 standard players and have huge Arab investment, without it they would not have got out of Non-League. Fleetwood will also win Non-League because they are last year's equivalent to Crawley and have more money than the other clubs combined. Some clubs in Non-League are still part time.

    If people like you were a bit more open minded and opened your eyes you'd realise money always has and always will determine success as well as good management.

    La Liga and Serie A (if you follow those leagues) are an even clearer example of what I am talking about <ok>
     
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    <laugh>
    Completely without irony, too.
     
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    Exactly <ok>. Luckily we had Mourinho, look at Mancini, been there 3 years and won the FA cup despite spending ridiculous money and making record losses <ok>. We paid good money for shrewd transfers and the players we bought gelled instantly due to Mourinho's tactics. This is why we broke records and won the league twice in a row.
     
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  5. Drogs

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    Our huge fan base (as mentioned before, being a lot bigger than yours) throughout our history deserves the achievments we've had over the past few years <ok>. To simply name us a nothing club that deserves lower league mediocrity is simply a petulant opinion of an obnoxious twat like yourself <ok>.

    If City win the league by spending another £100m in January, I will not be depriving their fans of success as they went through a similar situation before the money injection as we did.
     
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  6. Drogs

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    I have no problem with Arsenal in the slightest, just envious little sanctimonious ****s like Jaywam.
     
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  7. BackStabbed

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    Bollux,If they win it then there is merit because they deserve it, it's a game of football anyone can win, it's about the players going out there and performing their best, you still have to put the effort in and win games. You can have the best players and still lose games which is proven on a lot of occasions. Anyone is as good as they want to be, Our team is superior to Villas yet they went 1-0 down but they still believed they could win the game, they gave everything they could and they won 3-1. Birmingham were losing to you in the carling cup final yet they still picked themselves up, believed they could win, gave everything they could and won even though your team was far superior than theirs on paper. Same with Palace man u, basel man u, blackburn man u, sunderland man city, fulham v arsenal, Dave chisnall v Phil taylor.
    You don't win because your the best or you have better players you win by playing your best, giving everything you can and putting 100% effort in
     
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  8. Drogs

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    It was a matter of time before you called me deluded, you do it at the end of every comment to make yourself feel better.

    City have spent more than we did.... they have won nowhere near what we did. That was my point, incase you didn't see it.
     
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  9. Drogs

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    Ok then it is you being the stubborn shut eyed deluded fool.
     
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    So because your manager doesn't decide to spend that makes everyone cheats lol your actually a idiot. You do realise a American owns half of your club or a Russian whoever it is ( Kroenke or Umanov )
     
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  11. Drogs

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    Jaywam.... are you even from London let alone North London?
     
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    Tell me, is having your wage bill be bigger then your entire income anything but an utter embarrassment?
     
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    They are doing well, but title contenders? Absolute bollocks. I'd bet my house on Arsenal winning the league before I would the spuds.
     
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    That's the stupidest thing i've ever read, have chelsea paid money for the title? or has chelseas team had to go through 38 games to win the title? If you answer the second one which is the correct one then how is that cheating, we had to get the most points from 38 games to win the league and we did, we didn't buy the trophy
     
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  15. Drogs

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    <laugh> Really? Maybe you should do a bit of research before making such a stupid comment.
     
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    No, it's quite funny really because it gets you little goonies seething with anger and jealousy <laugh>
     
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  17. District Line

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    Of course they wouldn't. My Cousin stopped watching Arsenal last season in a season where they ended up finishing 4th, my flatmate also described the last 6 years as dark times. Another West London Gooner I know through my cousin said after the 8-2 defeat that he would just start supporting his local team Brentford.

    That's the problem I have with United, Liverpool and to a lesser extent Arsenal fans because they have never experienced the bad times or seen their team through mediocrity. Arsenal fans continually slate Wenger but when he goes that club will be in for a rude awakening. Wenger IMO is a genius and better than any manager this country has seen in the last 20 years, no other manager could have kept Arsenal in the top 4 on such a shoe string budget and such a limited squad.

    I can remember when I first started supporting Chelsea where I considered even just finishing in the top half or midtable an achievement and I would get as excited as hell seeing us get top 4 or top 6, that's why it wouldn't hurt me that much if we don't get top 4. it is taken for granted IMO.

    Arsenal devalued the League Cup by fielding a weakened side in the 90s and United devalued the FA Cup by withdrawing in 2000. Clubs like Chelsea and City (no matter how successful) will always treat these competitions with the respect they deserve.

    Yes we have played some young players in recent years, but they have also played alongside first team players and they were strong teams.
     
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    <ok>. I'm glad somebody from the Arsenal faithful has a broad mind.
     
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    Most likely no because without Abramovich we would of been ****ed but to be honest unless you could of predicted the future then who knows, as i've said before footballs a GAME, anyone can win on their day
     
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    Should have expected that response. You know its messed up and most people in football do. I do not begrudge your teams success but its not easy to keep your mouth shut when we have to compete with teams that have bigger wages then income. It is indeed a bitter pillow to swallow.
     
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