so how do YOU define a big club??? if it is not league performance and it is not success and it is not support, what is it?
??? We have more fans and are more historically successful than Wigan and Bolton, and have won the league more times than Man City with more fans and more success in teh European Cup/Champion's League. That's what makes us bigger.
Where are your fans though, in fact where have they been for a long long time, when was the last time you filled your average sized ground
oh and bolton have four fa cups not far off your 3 leagues and one fa cup in fact 4 major trophies each
I'd like to see what you would average in the 2nd tier having been out of the PL for 8 years with prices as expensive as the top 4 in the PL.
Arsenal last season was when we last filled our ground which is in the top 10 biggest club stadiums in England. Same with Tottenham the season before and Liverpool the season before that. This season, we had 5,000 members who dropped out and couldn't sell out for the game against you because people were boycotting. Get it now?
Since when did the League Cup and UEFA Cup not count as major trophies? Not to mention our 5 league runners-up positions, 3 FA Cup finals and 2 European Finals where that we have been historically shown to have been cheated out of.
Finals do not count as wins, surely you know that? League cup and uefa are not major trophies sorry, they might be for you now, but they are not for genuine professional clubs
http://www.aboutaball.co.uk/aboutab.../historical-ranking-of-english-football-clubs Makes an interesting read
http://www.totalfootballforums.com/forums/topic/45291-the-15-most-successful-english-football-clubs/ Another one, funny I dont see Leeds that high up
It proves nothing. We've won more important silverware than your average club. Even by those stupid measures, we're still one of the most succssful teams in the country. A League Cup's still a major honour, but obviously doesn't hold as much weight as a league title. Likewise, a more recent league title is more valuable than one from the 1910s like Blackburn and Newcastle tend to mainly have. Anyway, we were the best club team in the world for a longer period than you lot have ever been. It would have been nice to win more silverware but we can still be proud of probably being the 7th or 8th most successful when you calculate it with some idea of importance/relevance factored in. We got conned so many times it was unreal, but still came out of it as the undisputable footballing gods of the 70s. Yes and I don't think anyone would doubt that. Certainly a scummier club though, and one I could never be jealous of.
take out your 10million koreans and 20million chinese and them asians with season tickets just behind the dugouts at OT and you're fanbase is small
your not even in the top 15 most succesfull clubs in english history, you have won **** all comapred to 15 other clubs
When we were relegated, we actually filled our stadium every week, shame a place as big as leeds cant
