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The Queen Mother Champion Chase - Wednesday 14th March

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  1. Zenyatta

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    I think that most would agree that the Champion Chase currently lacks the fierce interest that the other Championship events have generated. Arguably that owes more to the strength of the other races rather than any weakness in this. After all there is set to be two previous Champion Chasers lining up come March. However, just looking at those quoted indicates that genuine contenders are thin on the ground with a whole heap of them intended starters in the Ryanair, which, incidentally, is looking like one hell of a race.

    Sizing Europe (11/4) - The reigning Champion at it is easy to see why he sits at the head of the market as he attempts to retain his crown. He has an excellent Cheltenham record (also a winner of the Arkle), likes spring ground, and has already won the premier trial for the race (Tingle Creek in December at Sandown). His credentials are there for all to see and now connections have shelved plans to turn him into a 3 miler for the immediate future he will surely hold every chance in March. My one doubt about him is that at 10 years of age he isn't getting any younger. However the next in the betting are Big Zeb (11) and Finian's Rainbow (9) so the race seems to be dominated by the older generation at this stage. It is nevertheless a small worry but given he is proven at the track and has the form in the book he is a worthy market leader.

    Big Zeb (5/1) - He lost his crown last season and it will be a big ask to regain it at 11 years of age. It might not be an impossible task though as he has looked as good as ever in two straightforward wins this season. There were originally doubts about whether he would take his chance in this but those seem to have been tempered in the aftermath of his latest win. He has not been out of the first two since running a clunker in the 2009 Tingle Creek behind the ill fated Twist Magic, and that disappointing effort is the only time he has finished unplaced when completing. That is not a record to be sniffed at but there appears no obvious reason why the form of last season's renewal should be reversed, especially as Sizing Europe heads here in better form this time around.

    Finian's Rainbow (8/1) - He was due to take on the big guns in the Tingle Creek but missed that engagement after a small setback. His long awaited reappearance came in the Desert Orchid Chase at Kempton when he eventually won in convincing style, despite a less than ideal trip in an eventful race. He was clearly the best horse on the day and entitled to improve for the run. He is set to step up to Open Grade 1 company in the Victor Chandler Chase at Ascot on the 21st January and that will tell us more about his chances. He has only been beaten by one horse since turning his hand to chasing and that was Captain Chris in the Arkle last season. He jumped fantastically well out in front before tiring up the hill and being collared by the stronger stayer and he will need to reign in his obvious enthusiasm to enable him to come up the hill stronger this time. I am convinced that Captain Chris is not a 2 miler and the fact that he was beaten by that rival in the Arkle must leave question marks about his own ability at the trip. However, he is still relatively unexposed and demands respect.

    Captain Chris (14/1) - There is virtually zero chance of him running in this. He looks far more likely to take his chance in either the Gold Cup or the Ryanair. And even if he did line up here he would lack the necessary pace to threaten the principals. He got away with it in the Arkle but it is hard to see him pulling off the same trick in Open company. I would be most disappointed if he were to line up in this when, in my opinion, he should be taking his chance in the Gold Cup.

    Noble Prince (16/1) - Trainer Paul Nolan has said that "the Ryanair Chase will be his target - that will be his only entry at Cheltenham". That makes perfect sense seeing as he is clearly behind Big Zeb (beaten twice this season) in the 2 mile pecking order.

    Kauto Stone (25/1) - He ran well in defeat in the Tingle Creek proving that he was a Grade 1 performer even if not quite the second coming of his illustrious brother. However, Ruby Walsh said immediately after the race that he wanted further and Paul Nicholls has stated that the Ryanair will be his target.

    Realt Dubh (25/1) - Third to Captain Chris in the Arkle and 2nd at Punchestown behind the same horse but a good winner of the Powers Gold Cup over 2m4f in between. He is another who looks headed for the Ryanair if he makes the Festival at all.

    Wishfull Thinking (33/1) - Finally a horse that looks all set to run in this race. Trainer Philip Hobbs said in a recent interview that Captain Chris wouldn't be targeted at this race for the very reason that the owners already had Wishfull Thinking for it. He was most disappointing in his first two efforts when well beaten on both occasions. He showed a return to form of sorts behind Finian's Rainbow last time, for all that that effort was still a long way shy of his best form. He still has question marks to answer, especially in regard t his breathing, but he showed his best form in the spring last year, and if returning to the same form would certainly be worth his place in the line up.

    Flat Out (33/1) - I had a small bet on him for the Arkle last season after he unseated when looking to be travelling well at Leopardstown in January in the Grade 1 Irish Arkle. He is clearly well regarded (also ran in the Supreme on just his 2nd hurdles start and finished 5th). The huge doubt is that he has not been seen since that unseating. He remains an unknown quantity and could be one to pop up with a big chance. He was entered for the Paddy Power, and that might suggest that 2m4f will be his trip but I have heard nothing as to his well being since. A definite dark horse, and when I say dark I mean black as night.

    Ghizao (33/1) - Has been well beaten on all three starts this season in handicaps and looks to have massive questions to answer. He showed good form early last season, and gave Finian's Rainbow a race at Aintree, but he has shown nothing this term to suggest he could win this. Nicholls thought he would be a proper contender so it might be that something comes to light to explain his poor performances. Impossible to fancy at this stage.

    Gauvain (33/1) - A winner at Cheltenham and at Huntingdon in the Peterborough Chase this season. His form tailed off last season but he looks to be holding it better this time. However, the Ryanair is a more likely target, a race he ran in last season. If he took his chance here he would have a fair bit to find judging by his form with Master Minded.

    Captain Cee Bee (33/1) - A backed him for last season's Champion Chase in March of the preceding year (2010) after he was a beaten favourite for the Arkle and again on the day, both EW. I got a return for my investment as he finished 3rd but it is hard to see him improving upon that effort. He is very talented on his day but that day has surely passed at the age of 11. He has a bit to find with the principals and no reason to think he can do it.

    Somersby (33/1) - After running a decent 4th in the King George Henrietta Knight originally nominated the Gold Cup as his target but that has subsequently been revised to the Ryanair. Not impossible that she might change her mind again but unlikely that he will end up in this and even if he does he is not good enough.

    Medermit (33/1) - I am surprised that he is widely quoted because he is another headed for the Ryanair, but unlike with the others already mentioned, there is no reason whatsoever to think that this race has ever been under consideration.
     
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  2. Zenyatta

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    Conclusion - If you eliminate all the horse that are almost certain not to run and all the horses that are almost certain to not be good enough you arrive at a very select list. On my list would be Sizing Europe, Big Zeb, Finian's Rainbow, Wishfull Thinking and Flat Out. Sizing Europe looks to be a worthy favourite given that he is the reigning Champion and has looked as good as ever this season. Big Zeb's form ties in closely with him, and they are closely matched, but given that he is a year older and was beaten (with no obvious excuses) last year he can be eliminated too. Finian's Rainbow is a horse that I like and I am not sure why. Captain Chris has never been a 2 miler for me and he was only getting away with it at the trip rather than relishing it. How, therefore, can I possibly think that a horse that was comfortably beaten by him over this course and distance can win the Champion Chase against the elite in that division? It is a very good question and one that I am struggling to answer. It is hardly like he is open to bundles of improvement as he is already aged 9. I would have to nominate the weak and feeble justification of gut instinct. I just think he is dangerous, but I find it hard to justify why. Wishfull Thinking has been below par this season so far but he would definitely be dangerous if he returned to his best form. However, I am still uncertain whether even his very best form would be good enough to take this. Flat Out is the complete unknown quantity. I know nothing about his well being and cannot find anything on the internet either. I am not sure whether the fact that he was entered in the Paddy Power is a positive or not. It must mean he is in training but does the fact that he is still yet to reappear (the Paddy Power was back in November) mean that he has suffered another setback. One definite positive is that he is a sensible price on Betfair which would suggest that all is well. Therefore, my three for the race at this stage would be Sizing Europe, Finian's Rainbow and Flat Out. It is impossible to know what the situation is with Flat Out and as a result difficult to recommend him. Sizing Europe is a worthy favourite and looks a fair price at 11/4. However the horse that looks most likely to shorten is Finian's Rainbow. If he were to win the Victor Chandler on the 21st then his price is sure to collapse. Is it worth taking your chance now? I'm not sure. There was 9/1 available a couple of days to go so his price is definitely shortening all the while. 8/1 might look a big price is he wins, but it might look pretty poor if he doesn't. However, if he doesn't win that would make Sizing Europe look like banker material. It is hard to see Sizing Europe getting any bigger (indeed 11/4 looks more than fair and unlikely to last long) and Finian's Rainbow will either shorten or be a write off after the Victor Chandler. Therefore, a dutching win bet would be the best advice. Whatever the outcome in the Victor Chandler a strong position will be guaranteed. If Finian's Rainbow wins he will shorten and Sizing Europe will remain steady. If he loses then he will drift and Sizing Europe will remain steady. If there were any positive noises about Flat Out he might be worth considering, but until that point he looks best left alone.

    It might also be advisable to consider the possibility that a novice might take their chance in this. I would rate it as unlikely but given the strength of the Arkle and the relative weakness of this race I am sure that the thought has crossed a few trainers' minds. The obvious candidate is Sprinter Sacre but Nicky Henderson already has Finian's Rainbow so I would be very surprised if he were to choose to be double handed in this. Peddlers Cross seems an unlikely option, as does Cue Card, and Menorah, and pretty much anything else. You will notice that there is one glaring omission from that list and that is Al Ferof. Paul Nicholls appears to have nothing of note for the Champion Chase. Kauto Stone goes for the Ryanair, Tataniano is injured, Ghizao and Woolcombe Folly are out of form. But he does not have an obvious alternative Arkle candidate either. He is entered for the Victor Chandler Chase (an Open Grade 1) where he will meet Finian's Rainbow. If he were to take his chance that would give us a fair idea about where he stands, and just how good the novices might be. If he were to win that well, then the idea of running in the Champion Chase to avoid Sprinter Sacre et al in the Arkle must at least cross connections' minds. It would seem unlikely but perhaps worthy of consideration, perhaps not. I do not think it is ludicrous to suggest that the Arkle might take more winning than the Champion Chase this season. Sizing Europe apart, it looks a weak field, whereas the Arkle looks anything but with fantastic strength in depth. I would be surprised if it did happen but do think it worthy of a thought.
     
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  3. woolcombe-folly007

    woolcombe-folly007 Well-Known Member

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    Great write up zen <ok>
     
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  4. Grizzly

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    Yep, good write up.
    Sad but this could be one of the more disappointing championship races, as Zen says there are so many who are likely to take up other engagements the field for this great race could cut up considerably with gaps plugged by hopeful handicappers.
    Sizng Europe has to be the answer but I hope one or two genuine challengers crawl out of the woodwork between now and March
     
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  5. Reebok

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    Great write up Zen - this is surely SE's race to lose? I agree with your take on the odds situation and how it might change, but I stick to an old addage - a winner is a winner, regardless of price! Who amongst us would rather have a high priced loser?

    Except the ladies who back each way :emoticon-0130-devil <laugh>
     
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  6. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    With most going elsewhere it looks a pretty crap race this year. Unless FR steps up it looks like a 1 horse race.
     
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    I can't be having Finians Rainbow, I think hes a fair price but I honestly don't think hes good enough to win a Queen Mother. Who as he actually beat over fences? He looked to have the Arkle at his mercy last year but looked to be outstayed up the hill by Captain Chris who clearly stays further. The form of the Arkle hasn't really produced much this year either, Wishful Thinking is probably the only one of note in the Desert Orchid but he needed every yard to get up to win. Wishful Thinking was clearly not right in the Tingle Creek for whatever reason but even if he had been he wouldn't have been within 20 lengths of Sizing Europe not with the way he dispatched Kauto Stone who had idealish ground at Sandown and is a talented animal. This is one of the poorest Champion Chase field's I've ever seen and I think the top two in the betting will take all the beating. Sizing Europe as proven Festival form and clearly jumps and travels well around Cheltenham as does Big Zeb, Both former winners of the race and I can't see past them even if Finians Rainbow does manage to win the Victor Chandler and on all known form he should do but if he can't beat Al Ferof what chance does he have with Sizing Europe/Big Zeb? Nil par...
     
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  8. Epona

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    Watch it you, lol.

    Interesting write-up, Zenyatta, thanks. I love reading all this stuff you people post on here....do you do anything other than study racing?

    I'd love Captain Cee Bee to win it but that's probably not very likely...so I'll be cheering on Sizing Europe.

    I love this race. I still haven't got over the disappointment of Well Chief going splat at the second fence, a few years ago, when it was surely his for the taking.
    It was such a relief to see him get up so quickly....I remember him being very full of himself as David Pipe was leading him back in....DP looked completely gutted and must have felt like crying....it's the race he most wants to win as a trainer.

    Was Well Chief the best horse never to win a Champion Chase do you think?

    I'm getting so excited thinking about Cheltenham....I hope I don't peak too soon...I might leave off reading this forum till a bit nearer the time.
     
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  9. Ardent1965

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    Brilliant write up Zen very interesting. I'm a Sizing Europe fan, hes got all the credentials, but we'll have to wait and see who wants to take him on...
     
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    Ron Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    When it comes to the Cheltenham Festival I'm afraid we all suffer a bit from premature articulation.
     
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  11. Epona

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    Lol! Well, I don't know anyone in real life who shares my joy of racing so I have to keep my enthusiasm to myself most of the time.

    I did know someone, who had quite a big bet on Brave Inca, purely on the strength of me telling him that he and AP would most definitely win the Champion Hurdle....thank God they did, lol!
     
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  12. Zenyatta

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    I'm supposed to be doing a degree!

    Does take a distant third place behind firstly my own horses, and secondly my passion for racing. If I get the time I try and squeeze in a bit of work now and again.

    I go home at the weekend to ride so I'll quite often go racing on a Saturday, go home afterwards. Ride on the Sunday and then get back to University Sunday night. Then give myself a day off on Monday! <laugh>

    I am coming to the conclusion that Sizing Europe is nailed on, Big Buck's is nailed on, Hurricane Fly is nailed on, Long Run is the most likely winner but the most vulnerable of the 4. I can easily see all 4 retaining their crowns come March, something which I don't think has been done before.

    Glad you are enjoying them.

    P.S. I have already written up the Champion Hurdle but will allow this thread to run a little before posting!
     
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  13. Dancingbraveforever

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    Nice write up mate.
    I cant help thinking that if owned Sprinter Sacre i would give him a shot at the CC.It would seem ludicrous but i think his ability is off the charts and that SE would be the only one to beat in my humble opinion.
     
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  14. TopClass

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    Very early to be writing any Champion Chase horses off.

    Sizing Europe has been excellent this season but it is an amazingfly fast race at Cheltenham, and they will all have to be 100% on the day to win.


    Not sure who I like really. Ghizao is a huge talent but his jumping has let him down again so far this season.

    Realt Dubh and Flat Out interest me as the ones to pop up with a big run, but it is a risk as we don't know where they are headed.
     
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  15. King Shergar

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    My heart would love to see a Big Zeb victory, I've always rated him as a champion, and I cleaned up when he won his CC at 10/1. He is 11 though now, and whilst I see him making the frame, Im not sure he will quite have enough.*

    Sizing Europe is abit of an enigma, the Binocular of the 2 mile chasers, he runs like a donkey, half the time, and then all of a sudden returns to form, and sticks 2 fingers up at the punters, who have been studying the form. Don't get me wrong this horse is very talented, and if in the form of last year he will probably win, but you can never guarantee what your going to get. I suppose the plus point is that none of these below par runs have come at Cheltenham.

    Finians Rainbow is the only other horse I see as a potential winner. People are writing him off after Kempton, but I was very impressed by his attitude, he made a horrible blunder, not far from the finish and slipped from 1st to 3rd, yet he still had the bottle to battle all the way to the line, and get back infront. Wishful Thinking is no mug on a going day, and I believe he ran to his best, so taking the blunder into account I think it was a good effort from Finians Rainbow, and I believe he is the best value bet at 8/1. Arkle winners have a great record the following year in this, and CC isn't likely to run, so I suppose Finians Rainbow is the next best thing to an Arkle winner. *

    I could give an outside chance to Noble Prince, I know I've always maintained he is better over further, but he has got close enough to Big Zeb in Ireland, so on a stiffer track like Cheltenham, he may well stay on to challenge late on, though I do believe he is more likely to run in the Ryanair.*

    Not sure how you could fancy Flat Out, he has only had 2 runs over fences, 1 against a few donkeys, and the other one against the best Irish novices from last year, and he fell. I think they would need to get alot more experience into him before he is capable of mixing it with the very best:biggrin:
     
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    Sizing Europe is a top, top class 2-miler over fences, just as he was over hurdles. He would have hosed up in Katchit's Champion Hurdle had he not injured himself during the race. His "inconsistency" over fences is purely a result of connections trying to turn him into a Gold Cup horse, running over too long a trip. His 2 mile Chase record is very, very good - he has only been beaten 3 times over the minimum distance, and all of those have been at Punchestown (by Golden Silver twice and Big Zeb once) and I believe he simply doesn't like that course - he never excelled there over hurdles.

    In his novice chase season he won 5 on the bounce at 2 miles culminating in the Arkle and his only defeat came when taking on more experienced horses in the Punchestown Champion Chase. Last season he started off with defeats over 2m7f (China Rock) and 3m (Kauto Star) before coming back to 2m at his hated track Punchestown and again finishing behind Golden Silver and Big Zeb. But he put that right in no uncertain terms in the 2011 Champion Chase, turning the tables on those 2 rivals in impressive fashion. He then went back to Punchestown and was just beaten again there by Big Zeb.

    This season he kicked off with a victory over 2m4f (which he gets well) in a Grade 2 at Gowran Park before again being tried at 3m in the JN Wine and being memorably caught on the line by the dour stayer Quite De La Roque. But the penny seems to have finally dropped with connections as they then sent him to the Tingle Creek, where he slammed Kauto Stone over 2m and he is now firmly on target to defend his crown at Cheltenham.
     
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    Regarding the novices, there's an interesting article in the RP this morning, regarding Al Ferof's entry in the Victor Chandler, it seems if he wins that then he will be Champion Chase bound, instead of the Arkle.*

    He will have to get by Finians Rainbow, which won't be easy. If Finians Rainbow does lose then it would be hard to fancy him for the CC. Maybe Henderson might consider running Sprinter Sacre then instead.*

    The record of Arkle winners in this suggests that there isn't a great deal between the 2 races normally, so i don't see a problem with the 2 best novices Al Ferof and Sprinter Sacre taking on the big boys.*

    It would most certainly be the last time Sprinter Sacre went off at odds against:biggrin:*
     
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    Exactly. I do think that Flat Out is an interesting one. It must be remembered that he was travelling very well when he came down in the Irish Arkle, and has clearly been held in high regard by Mullins throughout his career. He obviously lacks experience in a big way but falls into the dark horse category in my book. He is a complete unknown quantity over fences and that alone makes him more appealing than most who have proven themselves not good enough.

    Interesting Shergs. Perhaps if Finian's disappointed then Henderson might be tempted to send Sprinter Sacre. All seems very speculative at the moment; If this happens then they might do this, but if this happens then they might do this, and so on.

    The other one I was slightly tempted with at the prices is Wishfull Thinking. He is a definite runner unless things go wrong between now and then and 33/1 looked a big EW price. He has good form in the book and if he returned to his best (best form in the spring last year) then it's not impossible that he might shake a few up.

    The very fact that he is an intended runner must make him a 16/1 shot at worst on the day, and probably shorter.
     
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    I'm suprised they aren't going for the Ryanair with Wishful Thinking, not because I believe it's a more suitable trip, even though it might be, but because it's generally an easier race to win. He's already got to reverse form with Finians Rainbow, and you would imagine the big 2 are slightly ahead of FR at present.

    I suppose he is still a little over priced at 33/1 if he is an intended runner, but I'd still give him a much better chance of success in the Ryanair:biggrin:
     
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    Totally get yout point about Flat Out, Shergs. Thing I liked was that he was travelling all over like ther winner until falling, against a very good field, so he is very talented but with a lot of question mark.
     
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