There is no deep lying hatred which is preached to us as kids. Northampton's slap bang in the middle of the country you could regard anyone from Milton Keynes, Leicester, Coventry, even places like Birmingham and Watford. The Peterborough thing is down to it used to be part of the county of Northampton but it was so **** we got rid of it.
Superman, I entirely agree with your last sentence, as long as we play well and put in the effort I'm generally happy. However I can't for the life of me see that the first half against Fulham was anything other than rubbish. Maybe you're right, us old fogies see things a bit differently, but I still love and support my club and will do until I die, I just want the best for us! ILD OTBC
difficult to say but i do think it may be a generation thing or maybe its just a personality thing, i don't know! what i do know is that whilst disappointed to be behind to fulham at half time, i was more concerned with how we could change the game in our favour than lambasting our players and manager for WHY they didn't play well or WHY they were losing. in fact, i don't think we were as bad as some make out. first twenty minutes we passed the ball very well indeed (extra man in midfield helped with that) and we nearly scored on two or three occasions, and we hit the post. we struggled to create chances after that and fulham got on top. the fulham goal was a stunner and sometimes in football that happens and you just accept it and get on with battling back. but you have to respect fulham - they are a very good side and i don't feel some of our fans showed them much respect on the day. they are a club who we should aspire to replicate. during that first half there were clear reasons why we weren't on top approaching half time - i could see them - and thankfully lambert could too as he changed it. we can't play glorious football every week, we have to grind out results and we certainly did earn what could be a precious point against a team who beat arsenal two days later. as i say, maybe i go to football to enjoy the whole experience and theatre of a football match featuring MY club, rather than to enjoy the actual football all the time. if anything, good football is a bonus and just to add to that, a poor game of football is still not worth booing. managers can't click their fingers and make players play well. sometimes a system that worked in training won't work during a game and needs to be addressed, as was the case against fulham. sometimes, such as naughton, players are ill - not that it seemed to affect his performance to be fair, sometimes the opposition are better than us... there are so many factors involved during the 90 minutes that can mean a team looks good or not. but booing your own team is not the answer and never will be.
Superman Great post -- straight from the head as well as the heart. As Chaucer would put it: "There is no more to say"! (Re. the Chaucer reference, if Joey Barton can go all intellectual on Twitter, I don't see why we shouldn't put in an erudite head butt or two from time to time )
Once again I must state that I didn't hear the booing, and I certainly didn't, and never have contributed to that sort of behaviour. I have to disagree with you Superman & Robbie, Paul Lamberts job is to manage the team to the best of his ability, I don't have any complaints with the way he does his job, but in life if you do something wrong you expect to be told so, and not blame others. The players have the same responsibility. Morisons demeanor gave the wrong impression, and to back that statement up Paul Lambert took him off at half time. Also Fox could not hit a horses arse with a banjo during that game, the amount of passes he got wrong was extraordinary. The goal we gave away was a carbon copy of Bales second goal for Spurs, if someone runs at our defence we back off and let them shoot, that is annoying when it keeps happening. You say that I should respect Fulham, well sorry I don't, the way they played in the second half was very negative. If we had played the first half as we did the second then we would have won that game, and I did go to that game expecting us to win it! As I said previously, all Paul Lambert needed to do was put it right at half time, which to his great credit he did, so he himself couldn't have been satisfied with the first half showing. So why he needed to come out and have a go at the fans is suprising, it wasn't our fault! It's pretty obvious that we see things in differing lights, and that's fine, it's the way of football fans. Somewhere on this post, (not by you I believe) someone has said: the armchair managers should wind their necks in! Well whoever that was, I have supported Norwich City since I was a 5 year old, going to my first game with my dad and my brother, that was well over 50 years ago, so I don't think my commitment or my support is in question. I am a real supporter who goes to every game I can, I don't watch from a armchair!! I just want to see the best possible football played at Carrow Road, with the best results for the team, I also believe that I have a right to voice my displeasure when things aren't so good. I would just like to finish by saying that I don't believe anyone in the stadium sings, "Kick it off" as loud as me or with as much gusto, ask the people who sit around me! Paul Lambert should NOT be criticising the fans. End of. ILD OTBC
ilovedelia, i think that post contains some truly ghastly feelings and sadly sums up my opinion of 'certain' fans within carrow road on match days. every single fan wants to see their team be successful but norwich city are not in a position in 2012 to compete with certain clubs. we are where we are and in my opinion, 7th or 8th in the premier league is as high as norwich city can ever get these days. maybe a cup run every now and then. i'd go as far as saying your above post shows an arrogant attitude and is definitely completely out of touch with football these days. it seems it is a generation thing. i find it rather disappointing to be honest but its your opinion and we shall have to disagree in the most massive of ways.
Hiya ILD. Glad you're on board. Hope its lasting. This site needs you with your forthright views which have always been humourous and accurate. And you're not arrogant or out of touch.
I tend to agree with redruth. When I go and watch the match and something goes wrong, it is very difficult not to swear and be pissed off when the team is not playing well or makes bad mistakes. Afterall we are always hoping to win, I know that when I went to the Etihed, I wasn't really expecting to win, but deep down I had some belief it might happen. they hit the post 15 times and we have a massively deflected goal, it can happen and I go to every match believing that we might get something from it. I wouldn't condone booing, but getting pissed off and shouting and swearing can smply reflect the passion of a fan.
crikey, i'm not suggesting for one minute that we shouldn't show passion by swearing or shouting, i'm saying that the younger generation of fan i stand with in the barclay have the attitude that if we concede, rather than moan about the defending or whatever, we get on our feet and belt out 'on the ball city'. we back the team as much as we can through our vocal chords. we don't get on their backs if something goes wrong, we try and encourage them to do better. we try to suck the ball in when they attack our end and we put off our opponents as much as we can. it may all be to no avail but its a good, positive attitude. too many people seem to go, sit on their hands and grumble when things don't go right. our players can't always be on top of their game and sometimes teams will outplay them, but its not cos they aren't trying. thats football.
With respect ILD, I didn't hear PL dishing out blame to anyone in his after-match remarks. What I understood him to say was that a bit more vocal support on the day would have helped a struggling team. I don't think anybody would deny that hearing the fans getting behind them when things aren't going well is a great boost to players and conversely, having the fans on their backs makes things more difficult. Truth is, every City player and every member of the management team are having to learn on the job, playing and managing at this level being a new experience for all of them. There's got to be experimentation, and it won't always work out. None of us know why e.g. Morison wasn't able to play up to his own usual high standard in the games against Tottenham and Fulham, but after witnessing the huge effort he has put in in virtually every game since the start of the season, to question his desire or commitment (as some have) is monstrous. To be in 9th place, ten points clear of the team in 18th, after 20 games is a magnificent achievement and they (players and management alike) don't deserve ANY flack at all.
Well said Robbie. What I don't understand is what people think they are achieving by booing their own team if they are not winning a game that they think we ought to win? Are they suggesting that PL changed his tactics or his team because they booed at half time? Are they suggesting that booing Morison would have encouraged him to play better? If you are disappointed with the performance then grumble amongst yourselves but booing your own team is completely counter productive and I have to agree with everything that Robbie and Superman have said. Incidentally, is it really a generation thing? I am hardly the same generation as Superman although I probably have to accept that I don't give the team as much vocal support as he does. Going off at a tangent - who remembers the wooden rattles I used to take to the ground with me as a kid? Looking back whatever use where they in supporting your team?
I had one of those rattles. Lovingly painted yellow and green. Trouble is, you had to get to the front to use it, which meant you got squashed when City scored and the crowd surged forward. I loved the two guys who used to carry the Lucky Numbers board around the ground. The one at the back didn't know the front one had stopped and used to jerk to a halt. Priceless. And the blokes who did the half time scores with numbered slates in the corners. Used to finish doing it just before full time. Spent half the time looking for the right number! The tannoy was so bloody useless they didn't dare use it.
Well I do for one. Don't know that they had much effect then, but just imagine the effect they might have now if 25,000 Canary fans turned up with rattles! It would frighten the life out of the opposition. Much more fun than the Man City Poznan! But of course Elf and Safety wouldn't allow it.
And the blokes walking round the cinder track selling bars of Caleys chocolate. The Canary and the Norfolk Dumpling mascots and the standing family enclosure in front of the main stand where my Grandad first took me in 1950. You were standing in a pit with your eyes at pitch level - if a lady walked round the cinder track you saw things that a 5 year old boy shouldn't see!!! Happy days!!
Caleys chocolate. Our neighbour worked there and brought home the waste. Pennies for a nice big bag. He told me they had to spit in the chocolate as it was unhygenic to do it on the floor.
My uncle worked at Caley's! As you say, pennies for a huge brown paper bag of mis-shapes! I loved my uncle Kenny!
I won't respond to your personal attack Superman, perhaps you would prefer "we" didn't attend games any more. I see a contradiction in the above, "we can't compete with certain clubs" but 7th or 8th is the best we can expect, that leaves 12 or 13 teams we CAN compete with??????? Not bad Eh. I think the attitude I've found on here is the reason why I stopped coming in the first place, far to insular. You can't have a debate which is one sided, I respect your right to your opinions, but what ever you think of me and my opinions, I am a NORWICH CITY supporter through and through and always will be. ILD OTBC
I WISH YOU WOULD STOP GOING ON ABOUT THE BOOING, I have stated in my previous posts, that I didn't, and never have booed my team or individual players!! ILD OTBC
apologies for any offence taken ilovedelia. i hope you accept them its obviously a personality thing but as i say, i think football supporters have changed and i won't apologise for the way i support my club. nobody could get behind my club more on a match day than myself - it just isn't possible unless you were playing
