Interesting these were published today, bet every team is going over these with a fine tooth comb. My favourite is this one. 20.3 More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off‐line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner
Well theres a marginal loophole. Moving back and leaving a gap that you can claim a car can fit through, could end in tears when drivers go for it knowing it can't be closed, only to be ever so slightly edged onto the grass
So very true, but unfortunately the Stewards don't allow good ol 90's racing any more as we found out last year. I think this rule is just there to stop drivers from slamming the door shut at the last minute.
Defending today: Stay on your line and take it on the chin, no attempt to use your racing prowess. The emphasis is on attacking, therefore favouring the faster cars. Which are in fact the top 3, (Ferrari just make it). They should have their own league. Also with the cutback on in-season testing there is little chance that a team would develop a fast car. With the best teams gaining the big budgets at the end of the season, they remain at the top longer than mid-field teams. We have drivers complaining to stewards about silly things, we have drivers complaining to the team about their car not being top standard - without working or putting the effort and time into making it a faster car. Drivers are spoon fed advantages that they don't need, relax the defending rules.. take the buttons off the steering wheel, allow in-season testing. Things would be much more like "F1". F1 today is ****ed up to a point where it is just plain silly.
If Schumacher didn't ALWAYS ignore the unwritten rules and drove as fairly as everyone else then they wouldn't have to keep rewriting them. He's a hypocrite and a cheat, always has been and probably always will be. You'd think it was pretty obvious that trying to force someone off the road because they are faster than you is illegal in non-contact racing, he's already been banned for it once, should've done it again. I don't think there has ever been a driver who has broken or exploited the rules as much.
At least they've addressed the problem of backmarkers getting in the way once a race restarts, but what's the point of having a safety car if cars are allowed to pass it? Instead, would the drivers be able to re-arrange themselves into the right position whilst behind the safety car? It might seem a bit confusing but the drivers are know what position they are in, and the team can tell the drivers to let certain cars overtake them (or to overtake certain cars). This might be unfair to a lapped driver, but it's also safer.
All too often the lead car has lucked into a significant advantage over some of his rivals by happening to take a pit stop on the lap of an incident, and/or happening to be near the pitlane at the right moment. Couple that with the huge advantage of being in control of the restart and usually having lapped cars and non-pitters between yourself and the competition, and restarts are a damp squib. For safety reasons you couldn't do this at every race, but having the lapped cars a short straight or so ahead of the front runners would help negate that advantage, and more importantly keep the challengers in close contention for longer.
Out of the hundreds of drivers that have made their debut and driven in Formula 1, Why is it that Michael Schumacher for you is the "hypocrite and cheat"? Please name me many examples of where he has cheated, and I will name you some of the more beloved drivers in history, that have also been in the same scenario and cheated. If Schumacher is a hypocrite Miggins, Why is he back in his forty's risking his own life racing drivers half is age? We have had Heinz Harald and Jos Verstappen, as well as Eddie Jordan and David Coulthard ridicule him, the fact his none of them in their time could catch Michael on the track and now are having the time of their life watching him work his arse off for the Mercedes AMG Petronas team, to make them into a more established front-runner in the future. Michael chose to go Ferrari, (where other drivers would like a position in a mighty Mclaren or Williams) a team in confusion in the mid nineties, and made them into what they are today. His qualifying pace has, in the attrition of age reduced significantly. But hell fire, I have noticed after watching certain races this season he still has the determination to make another team a front-runner, and he has seen through most of his contract when many said he wouldn't. Watching Youtube videos of certain scenarios does not help your cause Miggins, if you were in the same situation as Michael, your judgement would be impaired by the will to win. He overstepped the mark many times in his career, to achieve what he has. But the fact is many other drivers have done exactly the same, how about Senna nearly killing Prost at Suzuka? You cannot knock him for his will to win, as you wouldn't knock Senna's for his. Racing drivers push themselves to the very edge, if you watched Monza this season you would have noticed that both Mclaren's were attacking for position from the Mercedes man Michael, Button steamed past with a fantastic maneuver, where as Schumacher toyed with Hamilton for around 20 laps, before a call to him caused Michael to move out of the way. Changing rules won't do anything accept make the line between the men and the boys become more evident, and it looks like it is going to carry on favouring the boys.
I agree with manny here, The rule isnt built on Shcumacher, its built on stupid health and safety grounds because of a much faster car using DRS overtaking. I would much rather see good defending / skilled overtaking
So would I. Although Schumacher took the bar to another level altogether, it was really Senna who precipitated the dirty tricks. Unfortunately it was this manner of driving which required the introduction of new rules, for two reasons… Health and Safety in the face of others who might feel the need to do the same thing in order to remain similarly, ruthlessly competitive. Fairness. Prior to this, most drivers drove with gentlemanly conduct and a respect for their fellow driver, borne out of recognition of the inherent dangers (of open wheel racing in particular). Therefore it had never been considered necessary for such rules before.
Simple: he's done it far more than any other driver in the history of the sport (in my opinion; as well as many, many others, including Miggins, apparently). I think tolling up examples for you would be a bit silly, EMSC.- - - What has happened to my response to EMSC (above)? I did not write "tolling"! I wrote 'trolling'! My spacing has also been altered for some reason, which alters the impact of my words, even after they themselves have been altered by someone! For this reason, I will re-write my post below, with an accurate replacement for 'trolling-up', which appears to have been misunderstood. For reference, the phrase, 'Trolling-up' has no bearing or reflection upon any member! It is exactly the same as 'trawling-up', 'dragging-up' or 'dredging-up'; and is in no way intended to inflame! Neither is it in any way a reference or reflection upon EternalMSC, which I believe he understands. Furthermore, contrary to the expressed rules of this forum, my post has been altered without any notification or explanation to me. If someone alters my words for any reason, I expect to be informed of it in accord with the rules of this forum; and that any alteration be clearly explained as such - within the altered post itself - in order that someone else's words cannot be mistaken as, or appear to be mine, when they are not. The following is a complete re-edit by myself, leaving the previous edit (above: which I find personally offensive) in place… Simple: he's done it far more than any other driver in the history of the sport (in my opinion; as well as many, many others, including Miggins, apparently). I think dragging-up examples for you would be a bit silly, EMSC.
Maybe because he has driven far more longer than any other driver in the history of the sport. As it originates from his passion to win, it was always going to happen once in a while, and you cannot take that away from him. Oh a new link has popped up, as we are on the MSC topic: http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12472/7413051/No-rust-on-Schumacher As for the origin of harsher rules, well they were needed as far back as Senna and his antics, not just Michael. What makes a great driver is the element of being human, they are not perfect.. but close enough to being there.
A hypocrit, I guess you don't remember him attacking Coulthard for 'trying to kill him', although coulthard didn't purpusefully cause the crash, Schumacher, on the other hand, has no regard for anyone other than himself and has no compunction what-so-ever in causing an accident so he can profit from it, not caring what his actions may cause. His cheating has been well documented and need not be repeated again. And would I ram anyone off? Well, I've podded someone off on purpose in a hire-kart endurance race, it was my best friend who I'd already lapped about 4 times and I did it out of 'badness' as it was irrestible, I'd never do it out of revenge or to win a race, I don't even do it online as, tbh, I don't feel I ever have the need to. People know my feelings on Prost, who was once my hero, why should I let someone like Schumacher off, who is imo 100 times worse than Prost or Senna. oh Cosi, as to Senna being the architect of this type of 'racing' I'd say Prost in Suzuka 89 was when F1 started to get dragged into the mire.
Ah goodo, another Schumacher debate. Think I'll skip that part in favour of the original topic... I think it'll be interesting to see what the drivers and teams think about it after a few races of contentious decisions. However, methinks this whole 'leave a cars width of space' could lead to a few more 'Vettel/Webber in Turkey 2010' type of collisions.
It's a sad day when eitquette and common sense have to be written into rules. Sportsmanship has taken on the opposite meaning from what I remember it was.
Westy, please do stay on the thread and go back to the main topic if you wish, a few things needed to be put straight for Miggins as he does not acknowledge the fact that not just 1 racing driver has cheated in his life. All is well now, accept Cosi getting a bit agitated at someone changing some words in his comments. Back to the topic, I actually believe as safety has increased in the sport, the ability of the drivers to push harder and take risks compared to the past has increased. I think there is an evident positive correlation between the two factors, this would surely prove that rules will get even more stricter in the future. Also I agree with your last point of these kinds of incidents occurring, maybe these are a more dangerous form of racing/defending as the bulls got it so very wrong in Turkey. More wheel to wheel racing could cause more chaos, but with that the essence of F1 would return.
