The report by FA independent commission: "why have you kicked me?" "Porque tu eres negro," - "because you are black." Suarez also said: "No hablo con los negros" â "I don't speak to blacks." He also admitted saying negro 7 times although he said he meant it as a term of endearment -Not credible says the commission when the two were having a confrontation. I cannot see how the scousers can appeal after such an extensive vindication. If they do appeal, I woild not be surprised to see the ban extended to 10 weeks. All Suarez needed to do was to say sorry after the match. Evra would have let it go.
None of that is surprising about Suarez. What is surprising is the depths to which LFC and their fans have sunk to defend him. Disgraceful.
Agree. The scousers have sunk to a new low. In trying to defend the indefensible as well as dragging Evra's reputation into the mud, they have jeopardised their own standing, their credibility and their own attitude to racism. What they have done is alienate many of their black fans. To me it brings back the terrible memories of their own fans racially abusing one of their best players of all time: John Barnes when he was recruited to the scousers. I will never ever forget how they humiliated their own player week in week out. Throwing bananas on the pitch, shouting abuse, phoning him to leave and join another club.
What are the chances of the scousers accepting the report and giving Suarez an extra fine to show the world that the T-shirt episode was an error in the light of what have been revealed and the club will ensure that this will not happen again?
Whats the chance you are basing all your bile comments on Eva's statement? One side of a story? It is 'Evra reported Suarez said', not 'Suarez said', thank god you are not a judge
I was referring to the club. And not to the fans which considering their understanding of the process I would say not a chance!! The commssion considered BOTH submissions and came to the decision. It found Suarez's position unreliable and inconsistent. How can you have a confrontation and an argument with an opponent and say you said a awful word as a term of endearment? Experts were brought in and said EVEN in south america the way Suarez used the word and context in which he said it, he would have been deemed offensive. No chance of a successful appeal.
Suarez's account was contradicted by himself, his team mates, the referee, the video footage and the language experts. He lied *multiple* times and admitted some of it. The only thing Evra's account got wrong was Suarez used the word 7 times not ten and that the word used translated as "blackie" not ni****. Hardly massive mistakes to make when your getting racially abused. Love to see LFC try and appeal this, Suarez can change his story again.
So the FA say. Like I said, Evra says one thing Suarez another. There is No other evidence, they are going on probablity, which tbh is not evidence. Nice obscession though, most are tired of this subject but losing to Blackburn has stoked your LFC fire hasn't it after all the laughing at us drawing against them last week
I cannot see the scousers being stupid enough to appeal this. When the report goes into such detail on the reasons why the decision (and it was a right one) then any appeal will be deemed frivolous. 10 week ban when the £35 million striker is playing like a donkey does not look appetising.
Yep two sides claim different stories. Evras was proved to be credible Suarez was proved to have lied multiple times. Why Lie is he's innocent? He's guilty and you have zero chance for an appeal, hope you try anyway and it gets extended. Thats the price you pay for condoning rascism.
BBF there was evidence before the FA. It came in the form of the account of both players, the ref's report, the statements by staff/players from both clubs, TV footage and of course these language experts. I sometimes wonder what Liverpool fans actually want as evidence or view as evidence. Also you say the FA is going on probability, well in the UK there are only two standards of proof in hearings, the Criminal standard is "beyond reasonable doubt". Meanwhile the burden of proof for Civil cases and what would have been used by the FA is 'the balance of probabilities', often referred to in judgments as "more likely than not". So bottom line is, Suarez more likely than not used a racist comment to Evra. End of.
'Balance of probability' is evidence enough for any civil court - multi million pound libel and slander settlements are decided on the same evidence. If the FA disciplinary decisions all had to be 'beyond reasonable doubt' no one would ever get punished. Clubs would simply have expensive lawyers on retainers able to create reasonable doubt about anything - how can you 100% prove a tackle was dangerous or what constitutes a clear goalscoring chance. Keane would have escape his ban for crippling Haaland as his autobiography wouldn't have put it beyond reasonable doubt. Rio would have escaped his drugs ban as the commission admitted they couldn't be 100% sure he meant to miss the test. Besides which, the case is not Suarez vs Evra. It's Suarez vs Evra, the TV evidence, the experts and some of Suarez' own evidence. Suarez himself admitted he wouldn't call an English person "negro" because he wasn't sure if they would be offended. Tho' to be fair to Suarez he seems to have been caught out by his inexperience of the PL and FA's disciplinary commission. It's actually quite ironic that Suarez has been found guilty on pretty much the same basis as Evra was in 2008 - the fact that his evidence was seen as unreliable and contradictory. I reckon Evra learnt his lesson from that episode on how to give evidence to the commission, readily admitting abusing Suarez and other unfavourable aspects of the incident in order to gain some credibility. I wonder what extent Suarez' unreliability and contradictions contributed to his punishment. Evra got a four match ban for punching the Chelsea groundsman in 2008, when he'd only have a three match ban for punching an opponent on live TV so it looks like the disciplinary commission does punish players harsher for giving bad evidence.
No point trying to make these scousers see sense. Even in the face of these varied and difefrent submissions, they are still talking about one man's word against another. Something to do with their "you'll never walk alone" silliness but what they are defending are racist actions (not a racist player which no one has accused Suarez of being). But then remembering John Barnes and how he was treated by them, it is perhaps not entirely surprising.
it wasn't a court though as it, it was handled really badly too. I think thats what has caused a lot more discussion than it merited. Not everyone is a biased reactionary, which you clearly are Christiansmith. You are the sort that reads a news article and rages when you never even question if it is true, bravo All the nonsense over this, the cry of racist left the club and supporters with no choice but to defend him, remember, you are ranting this off after reading the finidngs too with a little smug hindsight to boot, people defended him because this subject became polarised, racist or not when the issue was not racism but someone possibly going too far to wind an apponent. Is your little brain starting to heat up? Understand? If it is true what Evra says, then Luis is a very bad boy but I think we can hardly call him a racist and thats what has had most people defend him and also the club.
Find it hard to understand that someone who uses racist comments (against a person from a different ethnic background) is not a racist???
Aye, but that's just standard FA - they are about as far from a court as it is possible to be. Although at least they've given your case a full consideration and released a very detailed account of their deliberations - most players just get slapped with a ban with almost no explanation or discussion. This is fair, although again it happens to every club when a high profile player gets accused of anything. Football is polarising full stop, whether it's racism, swearing, drugs, womanising, violent conduct, punch ups or whatever. Agree with this too - looks like Evra has used a sister insult he knows will have hit a nerve with Suarez, and Suarez has attempted to do the same by using the skin colour insult. Not out of any genuine belief that the skin colour merits insult, but more out of an attempt to get a reaction. Tho' he should have known better, particularly given he admitted he wouldn't call an English person 'negro' cos he didn't know whether it would offend them or not.
I think the way it will pan out is, If Suarez did as Evra said, then he should not appeal and serve the ban and get on with it, the media has got bored with it now anyway. If not then he will appeal, both may be altering the truth slightly, a possibility Christiansmith may not be considering. Folks with an ounce of common sense will just want this to end, one way or the other, I am not a fan of the appeal option as it is clear Luis is not a racist. Just serve the ban and keep your mouth shut in future is what I'd say at this point if I was Kenny
