This is your dishonesty. I've clearly said that there's no point in posting up quotes from other scientists because you are simply going to find one or two others that you think support you and go 'look there, I told you so' as if that is some kind of proof. And everyone knows damn well that if you google something like science in the Qu'ran or embryology in the Qu'ran you get a long list of Islamic websites trying to make the grandest of claims about the vaguest of verses and then there are the websites right before your eyes that refute what is being said. Or are you denying the evidence of your eyes? And don't bother answering this last point because you have already demonstrated that to be the case.
the translations differ in choice of words depending on the translator. However as explained a translation no longer constitutes the quran. Its simply a translation of the quran The quran has/is/can only exist in its original arabic source. That has never changed. Not everyone can read arabic so translations are useful. For us that can and have even memorised part or all of it can pick up any aravic copy anywhere in the world from any century since its conception and word for word it will be the same
Muhammad was illiterate you numpty, however there were scribes as mentioned and detailed before. The total number of scribes is believed to be 40, 22 are named in the hadiths Zaid, Muhammads primary scribe, was tasked with collating all pieces of the quran that were written, these were then verified by those who had memorised the quran, These were kept by abu bakr the first khalipha, then passed onto Umar the second khalifa and he entrusted then to his daughter Uthman was the third Khalifah and a companion of the Prophet, The quran as we know it now was written down in his time and zaid was still around to ovrsee it all. How was that 200 years later? Muhammad died in 632 and Uthman became khalifah in 644. One of Uthmans five copies of the quran still exists in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. Only a third of it survives today starting at verse 7 and ending in 43:10 due to old age and the tremendous journey it has had including being kept in russia. Lenin gave it back to the muslims as a good will gesture Copies of it existed from Muhammads time too but they were not in the current order. What many people confuse with not being original is the order of the surahs. Umar who was the second khalifa and one of Muhammads companions first heard his sister reading it before he converted proving it existed in written form Although all the surahs have dates and times associated in their commentary with a chain of narration, the order of their revelation is not how they are written in the quran This is what Uthman did in his time. This does not mean surahs are missing, or were changed in their content or pronunciations etc. simply that they were not bound in the order they were revealed in. The first verses revealed to Muhammad began 'iqra bismi...' are in surah 96 verse 1-3 in the quran Also what has been 'added' was the punctuation and vowel pointing. Basically the arab text is easy to read for arabs without the dashes etc on the letters. Not so for non arabs. So a dash above a letter makes an AAA sound, underneath makes an EEE sound. This doesnt alter the word or change the text, simply makes it easier to read. That is what people call the current 'version' of the quran.
did a good job of making it up. fastest growing religion in the world. most practised Muhammad is the most popular name in the world, and the jews and christians had his name in their scriptures He came to being because the jews and christians distorted the word of god
so why asked the question? are you really that stupid? I have yet to hear a refutation by you that is backed up by any form of evidence, googled or otherwise Fact is you have cant. so give it up little man
You peddle 3 dated quotes (apparently made at conferences in the Middle East, go figure) and pretend that this is some sort of proof. You can go to any Islamic website that talks about science and see these quotes desperately repeated ad nausea. You think it's some sort of proof. It's not. Where are the quotes from all the tens of thousands of other scientists that work in these fields? You are just parroting what you read on websites that reinforce your belief system. It's called cherry picking and means nothing and proves even less. Fine, but don't pretend otherwise. You aren't open to the scientific method so there is nothing to debate. Why should I bother posting the rebuttals? You can see them for yourself by typing in the keywords into Google. You will ignore or deny them as is your way. You know I'm quite sure you have your go to Islamic website where you copy and paste their arguments for science in the Qu'ran. Muslims are far more vested in this process than scientists for obvious reasons. The real rebuttal to your comments comes from the deafening silence of the overwhelming majority of scientists on this subject. What exactly do you want them to say in response to photos of chewed pieces of gum that have been shaped to resemble embryos? They ignore it and for very obvious reasons.
dated? these men still work in their respective fields today These guys are scientists and experst in their fields are they not open to scientific method? how about professor siaveda from japan a professor in marine biology who calls the quran remarkable william hay professor of oceanography from the USA who calls it divine or professor armstrong, an employee of NASA and professor of astronomy who cant believe how the ancient manuscripts correspond to modern research The only thing 'deafening' is the support fromthe leaders in the science community I still await any valid refutation backed by some sort of evidence
And what about the tens of thousands of scientists who don't say that? As I said, cherry picking. And yes, I know you will keep asking for refutation, but as we all know, you will ignore any you see. Your belief is your knowledge. That isn't the case for the rest of us. You use Google. Why is it so difficult to type in one extra word to your searches of science in the Qu'ran? Try rebuttal/response etc. etc. This is just extraordinarily tiresome. I've already stated many times why I'm not going to play your game of posting quotes. May I ask what new scientific discoveries have come from reading the Qu'ran if it is such a wondrous source of scientific knowledge.
how about the functions of the prefrontal area which scientists have come to know in the last 60 years? The quran mentioned this as the 'lying area' and science belives it to be so or how about professor Arthur Alison, a recent convert and his paper ''the psychological and spiritual strategies of therapy in the light of the Holy Quran”?
Don't be stupid. Fitting modern discoveries to vague verses in the Qu'ran does not demonstrate scientific discoveries. And as I said, all 3 of your quotes are dated. Where are all the other leading scientists' quotes on this area? You do understand that just because they have published in their field doesn't mean that any pronouncement they then ever make in the rest of their lives holds equal veracity. Scientists who are not peddling expected lines at Muslim conferences or have been swayed by religious text simply don't deal with these things because they are irrelevant. And please stop with the childish comments."Because you cant." No, because I choose not to waste my time copying and pasting something that you can find for yourself. It's you who are choosing not to look.
no its because you cant, as evidenced by the fact that you havent I take it you dont believe in evolution etc either, as it only scientists and google who say it exists
I'm really not going to bother anymore. You just don't get it. Fitting modern scientific knowledge to 1400 year-old text does not make for new scientific discoveries. What part of the fact that they have published does not then give equal veracity to everything they say do you not understand? If Einstein had said fairies live at the bottom of the garden on his death bed, then advocates of fairies would be posting that all over their pro-fairy websites as 'evidence' for fairies. His ridiculous deathbed comment wouldn't reduce his other works. The same applies to your scientists. Their religious declarations are not the things that are given any consideration in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Why is that? And I believe in evolution because there is overwhelming evidence in support of it. EVIDENCE. Not 3 quotes from scientists based on reading a book. But evidence based on millions of hours of painstaking research. Anyway, I've clearly wasted far too much time of my life talking to someone whose religion has fogged their ability for rational thought. I bid you farewell. And please, that means don't bother responding - just read it and disagree with what I've said as you obviously will. There really is no point in repeating exactly the same thing for the nth time. We understand what your argument is and we disagree with its basis.
Not sure he would be in prison to be honest, not if he lived in Britain. Considering some of the religious nuts out there. He wasn't violent, so I don't see why he'd be imprisoned, but he would be laughed at like the rest. Muhammad on the other hand, with his taste for 9 year-old girls...
A father who lost his daughter in the Lockerbie bombing has travelled to Libya to "say goodbye" to the man convicted of the atrocity. Dr Jim Swire, whose 23-year-old daughter Flora was among 270 people killed when Pam Am Flight 103 blew up over Lockerbie, in Dumfries and Galloway, four days before Christmas in 1988, said Abdelbaset al-Megrahi "does not have much time left". Megrahi was freed on compassionate grounds from Greenock Prison in Inverclyde in August 2009 after being diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer. At the time doctors estimated that he had only three months to live. He was found guilty of carrying out the bombing by a Scottish court sitting at Camp Zeist in the Netherlands in 2001 and sentenced to life imprisonment. Dr Swire said he has doubted Megrahi's guilt ever since the trial, and since then he has become "entirely satisfied" that he was not to blame. He spent just over a week in Libya's capital Tripoli, and said he believes it is the last time he will see Megrahi alive. The 75-year-old, who lives in Gloucestershire, said: "It was very much a trip for me to say goodbye to him, which is something I wanted to do because he is very much terminally ill. He doesn't have much time left. "He is quite unable to get out of bed and he can only speak in short sentences now because of his shortness of breath. I wanted to make sure he has the right pain killers, as I used to be a doctor, and he did. "Although he is in a lot of pain he is still very concerned about making sure I am able to see documents his defence solicitors had (during the trial) after he dies. "He realises that all I'm trying to do is find out who murdered our daughter. It may seem unusual but I have come to regard him as a friend and he has a very generous heart to be worried about that matter when he is so close to death." Its a shame people on here are not more like this man and look for the truth, rather than accepting what is sold My heart goes out to him, a genuine hero IMO
