Agreed. Thats the point that is lost on some folks on here. The loss of the PL money far outways any short term deals of 3-7million as some would like to think ? The Allams did not get rich selling on the cheap. Plus after what has just happened I bet nothing would give Papa Allam more satisfaction than telling the ladyboys where to go ? imo, its gutter press column inches and speculation with no substance at all. UTT(Up The Table) and 3 more pts on boxing day.
Although with the hopeful arrival of Hammil, Mclean's chance may be more limited and if we can get a seven figure fee for him them I would sell. But it would mean that we needed to get a replacement along with Vokes and buying a decent for a million isn't easy
I doubt we will get Hammill. There will be serious competition for him. But there will be other options.
This is what I mean. McLean doesn't get in the positions Fryatt does, I don't know if it's to do with the way he's asked to play or simply because Fryatt is better at finding space, but it's certainly the case that for whatever reason Fryatt gets way more chances than McLean. If you go on wasted chances then yes McLean is definitely a better finisher. He's probably scored about as many as he's missed this season. People say that McLean suffers from having too much time to think, but the same definitely aplies to Fryatt, it's the one-on-ones where he messes up. I think it's a goal every time Fryatt is in that position and I'm usually wrong. McLean has a reputation for being a poor finisher which I think stems from a lack of goals, but the real reason for that is that he doesn't have a lot of shots. When he does get chances they aren't too bad at all, I'm more comfortable with him in front of goal than Fryatt (though both have been culprits at times). I'm not disagreeing with this, but can you give an example? The only time this season I've thought his finishing was poor was at Barnsley when all 3 strikers missed way too many chances. It took about 20 shots between the 3 of them before Fryatt eventually caught one properly. Aside from that day, I can't think of McLean missing chances this season. I think it's just down to his reputation; people think he's a hard-working donkey type player and see it the way they expect to see it. If you think back, when has AM's finishing let us down? @Proud Tiger your input would be welcomed on this as well since you say he can't cut it at this level. Going back to that Barnsley game, McLean produced that overhead kick from nothing and cracked the bar, also the shot that hit the bar at Brighton and the goal at Forest. Only one was a goal obviously but 3 brilliant shots, has Fryatt done even one of that technique this season? Even if I was to agree that Mcean missed more chances, I'd find it difficult to accept that McLean isn't more capable of producing quality shots from nothing.
I find it hard to understand how the club can assure NB that no one is leaving.If an epl club come in for the likes of Stewart,Rosie or Chez,we will find it almost impossible to stop any one from going. How many times have we heard a manager tell us that there's no point in keeping a player that doesn't want to stay ? And we all know that every man has his price !
I for one would be very disappointed if Aaron left. I can't see it myself anyway, especially given our current striker situation.
My comment was based solely on what I feel I've seen and not any stats. Maybe I should say I haven't seen him miss a lot of chances, but I guess he shoots from mid-to-long distance a fair bit (which Fryatt doesn't) which will account for some of those shots.
That's not really relevent to the point about people criticising his finishing being misguided because he doesn't shoot much though. I don't think the distance is the main factor though. In terms of goals it may be because the keeper has more time to get across his goal, but in terms of shots on target compared to shots I think they're both about the same rate from close range as from long range. The difference I think is in how much time they've got. Fryatt I think is more consistent if you compare with and without time to think. McLean I think is better than Fryatt when there's no time, but nowhere near as good when he has time to think. We jokingly said at the weekend that McLean should play in blinkers like horses have when they race. If he can't see the ball until it's right with him he won't have the time to mess it up.
I've quoted a similar comment to this already. What on Earth is that based on? The big problem I have with Fryatt which started all this off is he frequent one-on-ones when he has absolutely ages to decide what to do, and generally messes it up. I'd say the biggest problem with Fryatt's finishing is when he has a lot of time. As someone else has said earlier, there is very little evidence of how McLean would cope in such a situation because they generally don't fall to him (for whatever reason).
I cannot think of one time McLean has run through one on one and scored. Yes Fryatt does scuff a few but he gets himself in that position so many times it's sort of excuseable, McLean is never in the position to do that. The big difference between the 2 is that Fryatt tries to place EVERY shot and you never see him just smash it as hard as possible and hope for the best, McLean mixes it up a bit and tries a bit of both but usually tends to go with the latter. And to say McLeans finishing has never let us down, it certainly has, I can't think off the top of my head but there have been alot of games where we could have taken better results away if McLeans finishing was up to scratch, although the same can also be said of Fryatt. There is absolutely no competition between who is the more natural goal scorer, but they are 2 different types of players, it's almost like comparing Koren to McKenna, or Geovanni to Ashbee, they play the same area of the pitch but take different roles. Also to make a point about why chances don't fall to McLean as often, and to back up my point about them having different roles, do you notice how often Fryatt gets caught offside where as McLean is rarely offside. Watch when the ball goes forward, every time Fryatt is trying to slip the defence and get through on goal, McLean is always moving the other way, with his back to the goal trying to link up play and create a bit of space.
McLean certainly isn't the worst striker in our history scored a couple of really important goals this season ... Peterborough / Forest. I would only sell to make a bigger and better deal happen otherwise I don't see the point in selling him at all, don't reckon he takes that many resources out of the club. You wont see a harder grafter on the pitch than our Aaron. I know graft doesn't do it for everyone but it goes a long way with me. I Certainly would not sell him to another championship side because knowing him he would probably score the goal that takes the 3points of us like he did against Peterborough.
Funny that. When McLean first joined I got slated for calling him 'The Barn Door'. Funny that (again), I was right. Tries hard, no end product. Also, I mentioned a few months ago how rude Nigel Pearson was to David Burns, and got rounded on again. Now, he is apparently the biggest ****er and most miserable **** around. Funny that.
This is what I mean, everyone wants to talk about McLean's awful finishing, but no one can actually think of a time it's happened. I could link the BBC highlights for almost any of our games this season and it'd show a Fryatt 1-on-1 miss. If the evidence is there for Fryatt missing but not McLean, why is it so proposterous that I think Fryatt's finishing is worse? You say Fryatt tries to place every shot. If he really is going for accuracy every time, and he still manages to get it straight at the 'keeper 90% of the time, then that's an even bigger messup than if he was going for power. It might be an idea for him to ping it a bit more and risk missing the target, he'd probably beat the 'keeper more often. I completely agree with your point about running the offside line, but that argument works different ways for different players. Folan (who was **** for many worse reasons than being offside) and Mark Cullen get ripped to bits for being offside all the time yet, when Fryatt has the same scenario it's a good thing. Personally I think it is a good thing for that sort of player who gets in behind (though Matty really pisses me off when he manages to be offside while dropping deep for the ball) but it has to be a level playing field for every player.
Glad you have nothing to do with the finances, as you would have us on the same path as Duffen and Brown did
Fair comment - however as I've previously stated I'd rather sell him now and stick Garcia on the right than keep paying him £300,000 per year. I can't see the potential that his price will rise so I'd cash in now and attempt to justify our losses.
I like Aaron he works hard and gives the opposition a hard time, leaving Fryatt a little more free to move around the attack.
A striker is a term given to a position on the pitch, Aaron to me could be classed as a 2nd striker and that doesnt mean he has to score goals every game. He's a great player to have we should be counting ourselves lucky we have him and the rest of the players we have. Like someone stated earlier, if its not broken dont fix it, I hope we dont lose anybody!
