seriously dude you could just ignore any threads I do, its not hard is it? The title and author are right there Me and Jip have been having a discussion and seem to be in the main happy to continue so here is a thought leave us to it
My first visit to General Chat and I feel I have to comment on this topic/thread. Having read through at least 9 pages of comments it's fair to say that.. some believe, some do not But to the thread author.. I was born a Catholic, practised as a Catholic, received an excellent Catholic education.. and I still attend church every Sunday, Unless my team happen to be playing on the sabbath. I'm sure the good lord will forgive me if, now and again I miss a Sunday mass and repent my sins. I believe and ALWAYS will believe but.. tell me this. WHY should you spout religion/ christ is so good/ the creator of all things/ When only last week I read a headline which basically say's to me, that I've spent the last 58 years beliveing that those who preach the good word are pure and sincere and holier than thou. The headline read something along the lines of.... In Holland thousands of adults are coming forward to complain of sexual abuse during the enforced stay in "Childrens homes" In other words.. Those who were entrusted to "care for" those younger and more vunerable kids were abused by their supposed "Guardians" Which kind of blows one big almighy hole in what I was taught to believe. God may have created all things good. Tell me this.. Who the hell created EVIL barstewards like those Priests? Not forgettiing Hitler, Saddam Hussain and many more before and no doubt after those two. I think he must have used the 8th day of HIS week to screw everything he'd done the previous 7 days. End of my Sermon .. EDIT sorry rant on this topic.
Glad we seem to be on good terms again. It's a good job I'm so forgiving, but maybe that's the inherent Christianity in me.
Blind faith is like a child having an imaginary friend, if Jonny insists that the friend is real then he is real to him and exists.... Fans imaginary friend happens to be called Allah.... He is a very sadistic sexist cruel friend ,i don`t believe Allah exists so Fan insists his imaginary friend will torture me after death.... You can tell him from me Fan to go **** himself, i`m not scared of him or his bearded sandal wearing smelly left hand ,hate filled ****s that follow his bull****...... HAPPY CHRISTMAS......
That old chestnut. Free will wasn't actually the 'in thing' up until a few hundred years ago. Then people started asking awkward questions and the church changed their mind. Just like they have done about a lot of things since.
Who said it was âeasy to writeâ I wonder. It certainly wasnât written by your illiterate bronze age peasant as you brainwashed idiots believe (without evidence, but of course). Like any religious text, it was written (or cobbled together) by the manipulators of the day. These claims that Islam and the âKoranâ are somehow more âpureâ and âunchangedâ than other religions is utterly facile. First, take Christianity, as that is the culture I come from, and particularly the time of year: Virtually every aspect of the Christmas story is stolen whole from the cult of Mithras. The entire new testament is designed to cynically incorporate ancient Greek religious sensibility as well as the Semitic ideas that were stolen from the Jews. Its holidays were cynically placed to coincide with the times âpagansâ celebrated their rituals. The story of Jesus' rebirth is just another uninspired re-hash of the very ancient ceremonial king of the natural cycles myth that can be found in almost all primitive cultures. Even the existence of Jesus (an Islamic prophet) has less evidence than other historical characters whose existence is dismissed by historians as ânot provenâ â it is highly likely, for example, he was made up a 100 years after the event to fit the myths. About the only religion more derivative than Christianity is Islam, because Islam simply cribs the weirdest bits from Christianity and Judaism and adds on some Arabic tribal lore. It's all without the merest shred of originality. The Koran is stories cobbled together by the manipulators of the day. Itâs sway pays testament to the idiocy of the population that panders to it.
"The Koran is stories cobbled together by the manipulators of the day. It’s sway pays testament to the idiocy of the population that panders to it." I like that Jonah, it says exactly what I wanted to, about all religious scriptures.
Hell froze over last week IG nobody tell ya. Devil dude had to cut back on fuel due to pressure from the tree huggers, somethin' about cosmic warming an all.
There is a long winded answer to this pottermouth (another fellow stokie, welcome) The short version is that there is also satan too, people lose sight of him when speaking of god In terms of evil, everyone is capable of it but the catholic church in particular may have sown the seeds itself When it made money its focus and made celibacy an issue for priests. This is not a thing taught by Jesus, the Bible or God but was invented to ensure the church kept the inheritance of the priests There have always been tyrants like hitler and saddam, the one thing they have in common is a craze for power. satans play things if you will
A bit rich of you to accuse someone of arguing for the hell of it though. Why else did you create this thread? How was the OP about arguing for the hell of it? or do you just like to go off topic when you have been 'handed youre arse' as they say? As moderator you should know this is GC I already had it. definately have now Our ancestors also inbred quite a lot, out of necessity. Does that mean we should inbreed now, when it's not necessary!? they bred to survive, and ate twice a day and it was enough. We eat too much bit of a difference Nope. bet you dont even know what you are saying nope too ...who is no better than a sky fairy. There is no more evidence of god than there is of fairies. The idea of an omnipresent,omnipotent, omniscient god is a lot more preposterous than a whimsical fairy too. There is plenty of evidence of god, he created the Universe and everything in it. Unless you believe it all happened by magic which seems to be the case. Tell me in your experience is it more likely that things have a creator or that they just appear? Do you know what 'might' means? back to the english lesson I see, its getting to be the 'norm' for you when proved wrong. That was 1 example as I clearly specified, tell me what DID you mean by 'I might not have followed any ridiculous set of rules....' No it doesn't. You know it does Heaven-bound on his own, no family, no friends, suddenly cured of a life-long disability so severe that normality would be alien to him, unable to speak as he never learned to, even if he had've learned English it wouldn't matter because most of those around him won't speak it, no sausages to eat, need I go on? I don't think he'd like it there tbh. He will love it, he wont have THIS family as they will be in hell, but as the saying goes you come into the world and leave ALONE youre basing heaven on life here on earth its nothing like that. The language of Janah (heaven) wont be english, it will be universal, there will be no suffering and food will not be categorised into halaal and haraam so if he wants sausages he will get them. Those who were not able to have 'normal' lives on earth will have a special place. Of course you are choosing NOT to be with him I had my tattoo done when I did believe Fan. Keep up. That is why I said deep down, The fact you had that tattoo done saddens me as well as makes me smile tbh (and I mean this in the nicest way). You were that happy you went and had done something which god basically prohibits you from doing. The Bible says in Leviticus 19:28, "Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am the Lord." You clearly had no idea about christianity No, let us continue. The 'tit' was because you sound like one. It's not swearing either. So you're suggesting that despite my son outwardly displaying signs of suffering, he is actually not suffering at all? Recent research (that's right, research, that thing you conducted yourself into Islam but deride when it suits you) by way of brain scan shows that severely autistic people experience 'sensory overload'. Which causes cranial pain. Hence why my son covers his ears and closes his eyes, to mask 2 of his senses and redress the balance. It actually hurts him physically. Unless he's a masochist, he IS suffering Fan, trust me on this one. Ok fine. I dont deride research but certainly question it in detail (boringly so), and I did the same with Islam hence my faith in it. You forget my son is autistic too and I have done some research into this field too. You are making the same mistake that people who dont know the condition make which suprises me slightly. Autistic children and pain are totally different to 'normal' kids. FOr example it is widely held view thta physical pain doesnt affect autistic children in the same way as 'normal' kids So an autistic child may fall but laugh and get on with it, yet be in 'pain' if you change the TV channel that they didnt want. Part of the problem becomes trying to 'normalise' the children which is what the starting point of research tends to be Religious zealot in ridiculous prediction shocker. The increase in Germany and America is Fact you will find. As for the other prediction you will find that the quran and hadith provided certain statements which were ridiculed, misunderstood etc but then came to fruition. Like the examples I gave you about embroyology, the stars etc. In fact we have reached the stage where most of them have been realised or transpired so there is no reason to disbelieve the others. You should check some of them out if you get time it will enlighten you Not spelling. By 'lead', I thought you'd mis-typed and missed the s off 'leads'. I thought you were getting your tenses mixed up again. as long as you get the picture thats what counts It seems more plausible than the Old Testament. But I suppose it doesn't explain everything. It's not a subject I have much interest in tbh. So you use it because? B]They did the same with us, All clear. now they have said another of my lads has hypermobility and its linked. They talk shoite as they dont know From what you said your lad was fine initially, I would suggest there maybe a link to one of the many jabs given. Maybe MMR because despite it being 'safe' there is a risk although slight. [/B] He had the separate jabs, £90 each and what a waste of money eh? But I suppose when you're infidel a bit of cash isn't going to save you from Allah's wrath is it? No it certainly isnt, neither will the science you have so much 'faith' in. An interesting question would be why science/evolution etc allows bad things to happen to good people I'm very good at this thanks. The reason I forget is because I'm a busy man. Plus I do a lot of my posting on the mobile app and it doesn't allow me to look back and see what point was being argued while I'm typing. Not sure you are, you have got in some right muddles during the discussion. If your argument is that strongg/viable why would you need to look back? Good for you. Theres another 'Jipism' (my name for when you make what appear to be childish comments) So you don't believe that a second generation Bengali girl has chaperoned dates with boys, but you do believe one lad took on and beat half a dozen others with no more than a golf club, and a bloke died cancer with little to no pain. People must just be extra honest in Stoke I suppose. Dont know about stoke but I certainly try and be as honest as I can. Frankly dont care if you believe me or not tbh. But I know the bengali community and that was odd. I don't believe them/you. Doesnt mean a thing in the scheme of things. Do you really believe what you believe will make a tiny bit of difference to them or god? Due to the will of an invention? There's just as much chance of Optimus Prime being in charge as is there god. didnt realise there was a patent on god. Thats still more than coming from nothing. Glad we seem to be on good terms again. It's a good job I'm so forgiving, but maybe that's the inherent Christianity in me. Why? did you think we had fallen out? I only have continued discussions with people I like. I would say its the inherent belief in a creator in you I say this because that is who you turned to at the happiest moment in your life ie the tattos and inscription, although misguided and against the rules I believe it was naivity and its who you blame in the worst moment in your life Youre a believer but too angry/stubborn/obstinate etc to admit it and maybe that is why you dont have a interest in evolution etc as you KNOW and deep down believe
You obviously havent read the quran and are basing your views on the bible. The quran isnt JUST stories and its message is different to what you will find in the old or new testament. The notion that it just follows on is a misdirected one as the quran does away with what we know today as the bible. It also does away with all the rituals associated with judaism and christianity and exposes them for what they are. Basically as you said based on 'pagan' ones etc. You have just come to realise that the quran/islam told you 1400 years ago The quran is very original and contains things we are finding out today. As mentioned before embroyology (leading the lead scientist in embroyology to become muslim) role of the mountains, rainfall, cloud structure, birth and death of stars, the not mixing of the waters in the oceans etc things that we foun out about in well into the 1900's yet were in the quran 1400 years ago The only idiots are those who comment without knowing or reading it, basing it on the religions they were born into which are indeed false
Oh dear. Given the vast amount of scientific knowledge supposedly at Allah's disposal, you'd think he'd be capable of considerably better than the handful of meagre contributions in the Koran, most of which are NOT scientific, and even when they are.....they amount to little more than rather crude and common knowledge of the 7th century. Religion is such a debilitating mind virus that, frankly, it is not the best use of ones time and energy trying to persuade adults as to the unscientific idiocy of their delusions; most (not all, of course) such people will remain intellectually crippled throughout their lives, irrespective of logical argument. Fanwith should at least clean up his parlous debating “style” by googling “logical fallacies”, paying particular attention to “special pleading” and “argument from personal incredulity”. “Muhammd never wrote the quran we know that but (and pay attention here) he was instrumental in choosing the people who did convey it for it to be written” Balls. Any Islamic “scholar” (a contradiction in terms) who isn’t a downright liar (that would doubtless narrow it down somewhat) would tell you there in no agreement on who wrote it or when it was. You are a brainwashed cretin. Followers of Islam assembled the Koran just like other dopey religious texts were assembled. Muslims do like to pretend that the illiterate peasant in some insignificant part of an insignificant region to whom an omnipotent deity had mysteriously chosen to reveal all (but strangely no scientific proofs) had imparted this knowledge to chosen ones. Some muslims contend, during the first “caliph” after Mohammed’s death, they fretted that the “knowledge” would be forgotten. They therefore assembled witnesses to report to one Zaid ibn Thabit knock it up into an authorised version. There is absolutely no evidence for this, it is hearsay and bears all the hallmarks of retrospective legend making (see the Jesus strory). Most Muslims with functioning brain cells dismiss it. Many put the formation of the Koran during “Caliph” Uthman, some time beyond Mohammad’s death. He ordered the various texts be brought together with some declared “sacred” and others not. Sound familiar (cough – Bible – cough)? This means the “scholars” concerned could not determine – or dispute – the legends of Mohammed’s time. The first account of Mohammed’s life wasn’t put down until over 120 years after his death, was lost, then re-worked by one Ibn Hisham who died in the late 9th century. Amidst all this hearsay and wishful thinking, there is no agreed upon version of how, why, when and by whom the Koran was put together. Aslo, Arabic script wasn’t standardised until the 9th century. Vastly different readings and translations of these texts was inevitable. Claims that the Koran has “never changed” is absurd (mere translation of any text into another language changes it), and even if it hadn’t it’s meaningless. As far as I’m aware, “The Elves and the Shoemaker” has never been changed, but it doesn’t have me questioning the provenance of my footwear. As for the “Hadith”, hearsay piled on hearsay and tracts lifted straight from the Torah and the Bible. As Hungarian scholar Ignaz Goldziher observed the Hadith contained “versus from the Torah and gospels, bits of Rabbanic sayings, ancient Persian maxims, passages of Greek philosophy, Indian proverbs and even an almost word for word reproduction of the Lord’s Prayer”. Islam, like the rest, is manipulative nonsense that relies on the stupidity of the masses. It’s an ancient cultural form of the cold reading mediums and psychic charlatans of today.
