Oh & is anyone else wondering about the timing of the 2 announcements so close together. I'm assuming the FA was told the timing of the CPS decision rather than other way round & hurried the Suarez one out first to look proactive rather than reactive?
Wi8th their history in discrimination in the past, is it any wonder they long so to be seen as anti racist in a kneejerk reactionary PC way, as it was said not only must you 'Do justice' but you must 'Be Seen to be doing justice' The FA have gone with 'Seen to be doing justice' alone
There id no INTENT in what Suarez said. There IS intent in what Evra said to Suarez. The standard of evidence is higher in a Crinimal Court, therefore Liverpool should just hand over the whole file to the CPS and have then BOTH charged in a criminal court - the Suarez case would be dropped in seconds, whereas Evra is bang-to-rights for aggrivated, racial, insulting behaviour. The QC should face charges too, as an Officer of the Court he is legally BOUND to have reported Evra at the first opportunity after his admission of insulting behaviour. If they don't do it, any person can (as in the John Terry case) once the panel findings are published. Infuriated just watching CNN -some bint on their news pontificated that had she or her co-presenter been found guilty of breaking the law her company would not stand by her like Liverpool have with Suarez. Her co-presenter sagaciously agreed, and added that Liverpool's position against racialism was becoming untennable. When, I ask, has Luis Suarez been charged, let alone found guilty, by a "Court of Law"?
"The young striker set to return to Chivas with all the willingness to be helpful: "We are 100% to work with intensity, under the command of Technical and humbly to assist the team in this postseason, which seeks bicampeonato" "Chicharito" Hernandez yesterday highlights the goal scored by another young man as Omar Esparza, in a win over Tigers: "I liked the goal of the Negrito (Omar Esparza), I think it's a sign that Chivas youth, we are ready to respond in big games such as playoffs. For my part I will continue working with humility to earn a chance"
This is a quote from 2007 when Hernandez was playing in the Mexico league not the EPL. The EPL rules are different so I don't see the point you are trying to make to be honest.
you don't? the point is moot but it exists as it simply shows that players in south america and people generally say the said phrase without issue. its a spanish word. now why is it moot? Simply put insult is in the ear of the beholder... same as libel so whether or not the player meant to cause insult was clearly not the issue for the panel chosen. merely the fact that evra took offense. thats to me what went through their mind. however, the thing is no-one has published evidence so we are all left wondering how much of what evra said was taken as fact and what did suarez say he said etc...
The fact that it is a word used in South America isn't lost on me MITO and I don't think it has ever been disputed. MY point is that Hernandez used it when he wasn't playing in the EPL and Suarez did hence why Suarez has been punished and Hernandez hasn't. I've said plenty of times on here that I don't believe Suarez intented to cause racist offence and like you say I want to see the evidence and based on the unconfirmed reports I think the 8 match ban is harsh.
The longer no evidence is published: the less neutral I'm becoming: I've sat and listened to more & more media hacks moralise against Suarez and its becoming clearer that this is what the FA wants: even if when published the evidence is blurry at best it won't matter. You won't get big headlines & luvvies debating on all formats how blurry the evidence was: All people will remember was he was found guilty of racism. One line in a statement saying they don't think he is that has not been repeated by any FA spokesperson in any of these debates? In a court of law? No, by an organization that despite their blustering has been incredibly weak on this issue until now. Emre anyone? If the evidence isn't provided immediately LFC should seek a court injunction forcing the FA to hand it over
its the simple fact that it shows that players from there use the term... you are saying hernandez said it there so is not punished, suarez said it here so is. that is a different point entirely. no-one rational could want hernandez charged except in jest. you are quite right that intent was not the issue (as i point out when comparing to libel laws) offense is in the ear of the hearer not on the lips of the speaker.... the FA have taken a very long time to come up with something then failed to fully give a statement so what you have is now a bigger issue of a club v fa situation (the fa have not dealt with that yet) press world wide now branding the player a racist despite the fa not finding that... so one feels they handled it badly no matter what the scenario
MITO, insult and libel are 2 very different things. Libel is a knowingly false WRITTEN statement intended to cause damage to another's reputation - hence the legal right to claim both retraction and the award of damages. An insult can be factual - though no less hurtful. BTW, as both Evra and Suarez SAID the things that they have admitted to then the legal action would be for SLANDER.
A spanish under 21 international called his team mate negrito on twitter about 3 weeks ago, with no repercusions whatso ever
Do the FA publish a list of taboo words to give to foreign players to learn? Is "negrito" on it? Are foreign players supposed to be mind readers?
You're misunderstanding me Saint. I'm not saying Suarez is racist and I have stated I think his ban is harsh. However comparing things what other people have said in other leagues where our FA has no juristiction is pointless. The FA have played to the rule to much in this case ( if it is only the word Negrito ) and it could have been sorted alot easier than this imo. The rules will state that you shouldn't bring somebodies colour into any arguement which is what Suarez did - again I don't think there was racist intent but the FA have applied the letter of 'their' law rather than common sense.
Point taken, Eric I believe however, that the point made by those quotes was to reinforce the statement that negrito is in common usage amongst amongst Spanish and Latin American people and is not an insult. I was talking to a Mexican friend last night and she verified this. My point was that Suarez could use the term completely unaware that it may be found to be offensive in this country. As you say, common sense doesn't seem to have been applied here. Unless there is more to it than we have been told, which is why I'm reserving my final opinion for the moment.
https://twitter.com/dani37pacheco/status/149893523636883456 From Danny Pacheco: And apparently Glen Johnson getting abuse from Paul McGrath for supporting Suarez. This is getting very bitter.
Eric you are only interested is having a go at our posts chip in will you with something worthwhile instead of shooting down other posts orr just fck off
I've given my opinion on the matter plenty of times and repsond in kind when I'm quoted. If you don't like it ignore it you prick EDIT : I notice you have ignored the conversation with saint to suit your argument you fool
Is everyone avoiding the fact that Suarez has admitted using the term?? whether he meant in a lovely friendly manner to his fierce rival or not, he said it
