I don't really care if Neil Lennon besmirches these morons "reputation" in all honesty, and we are not "all in this together" or we would all agree that the banner was ok, which I and others clearly do not. What Neil Lennon was doing was pointing out that the level of intelligence among these few cretins is obviously lower than a snake's belly. That is evidenced by the "Bloostained" poppy protest where they went to all the trouble of creating a giant banner, but did not have the nous to even have it proofread before unveiling in the front of the assembled throng. It's not a condemnation of their spelling or grammar, merely an insight into the menatlity of people who would go to so much trouble and then make a complete arse of it. They are to be laughed at and mocked in my opinion, because Celtic supporters though they may be, they clearly do not have the best interests of the club at heart, despite my many many faults, I do, so does Neil Lennon and that's why I feel he was right to speak out in such a manner, in fact I personally thought what he said was hilarious because I love sarcasm. As for the "us and them" mentality, it already exists because plenty of Celtic fans don't want anything to do with "Them".
Instinctively I'd disagree. Lennon has courted these people and been supported by these people. You dismiss their position as having no merit at all and that plainly isn't the case. It is a considered position. It is sometimes poorly articulated but it is certainly considered.
As I explained Reb there are good reasons for their poor articulation. Ignorance, stupidity and laziness. Anyone who cannot even check the spelling in such a time-intensive project deserves all the derison they get. Besides I don't see how Lennon has courted them, they may believe (or did believe) he is of a like mind and his sympathies are as theirs. I have never seen any evidence of that being the case. Naturally being a Catholic from Lurgan I do not doubt that he had Republican leanings at one time, but people change and he has not lived in Lurgan for an awfully long time.
Yes and I have praised the GB too, most people have, but I recall a debate we had last season where I said that we have to be careful of letting them think they are bigger than the club or even the voice of the club. The point is, when a banner is held up at a football stadium by fans, most people seeing it assume - rightly or wrongly - that is the opinion of the whole of the fanbase of that particular club. Turkish clubs for example have a reputation for every one of their fans being absolute nutters. I don't want people thinking all Celtic fans are all singing from the same hymn sheet (pardon the pun) because that is very far from the truth.
But the point was that he has courted them, praised them and singled them out for attention. Perhaps they are idiots for swallowing his guff.
Or perhaps if they had continued to support the club properly with the type of thing which endeared them to him at that time and not indulged in childish and futile protests, they would still be recieving his (and everyone else's) praises. When my kids were young they often received my praise, that does not mean that I should not scold them when they did misbehave.
Come on Reb, are they now due his undying loyalty because they (and everyone else) supported him through that period?
You can read political/historical meaning into many songs. There is a difference between a genuine piece of art; i.e "Something Inside So Strong" and some complete ******s in nylon replica tops chanting "Ooh, Ahh, Up The 'Ra"
I agree. I was speaking in the very broad sense of political singing at Celtic matches and not specifically the refrain from the Celtic symphony.
But there is an overt difference between singing a song with political implications and singing political songs Reb. When the fans sang "Something Inside So Strong" to Lennon they weren't singing about Apartheid, obviously, but using that particular song to show support. When the fans sing "Boys of the Old Brigade"....how does that support CELTIC?
Pish poor response. Are there not numerous Celtic songs that could be sung? Or are some people so selfishly self-serving and self-aggrandising that they can't leave politics at the door when they go to watch the football? At the end of the day it's not about politics for most of these ****s; it's about getting noticed. Giving it the old "look at me, look at what I'm doing"
All credibility gone Rebel. The oldest deflection tactic in the book. "That's isn't EXACTLY what you asked me" You admitted that you're a pedant today. You're not a pedant, just incapable of legitimately explaining why some people cannot separate football and politics. If you had a genuinely cogent response as to the need to sing songs which are detrimental to the club both on and off the pitch then you would have presented it, instead you are just coming across as someone using Celtic Football Club as a sounding-board for your political beliefs.
Oh please You posed the question how it helps the team. You were given an answer. Your response is not to attack the credibility of the answer because you cannot logically do so. instead you chose to invent the notion that I have somehow avoided or deflected from something. "Are there not numerous Celtic songs that could be sung?" "When the fans sing "Boys of the Old Brigade"....how does that support CELTIC?" Presenting these two questions as being even remotely correlated and then telling me that I am the one deflecting and losing credibility right you are As for "legitimately explaining why some people cannot separate football and politics" I have done that on numerate occasions. I am certain that even folk who vehemently disagree with my rationale must agree that at the very least I have done this. Of course this begs the question as to why you have chosen, and continue to chose, to present no sensible argument to the contrary?
It's a public order offence to display the word f*** on a public banner in many countries, especially if you refuse to take it down and assault a steward too. It's also an offence to throw flares onto the pitch. Apart from that, you did nothing wrong.
