Not606 is a Fresh Start for everyone. This means any grievances you may have with other members should be left at the door. So far everyone has been given a fresh start and this has allowed our forum to grow healthily. Insulting fellow Not606'ers is not welcome here and any insulting posts will be removed. If you are unable to post without insulting members then you shouldn't waste your time here. House rules: -Play nice! Try and be civil to everyone -Respect everyone's opinions even if you disagree -Differences should not be personalised against members -Avoid personal insults ###Any post with an insult towards another member, regardless of its quality, will be removed ### -No WUM articles (See definition below) -No accusing people of being WUMs or Trolls just because their opinion differs to yours. -Where you make heavy use of material from elsewhere, please say where it came from. -No Spam posting - meaning repeatedly posting the same content, making multiple threads, or repeatedly advertising a website/service -Refrain from posting new threads when an existing thread covers the same topic. -No Racism or other forms of discrimination -No slanging matches with other users. Either report them or Ignore them! - Constant irrelevant battles will result in cool down bans. -If you have a personal issue with someone use the PM function, don't bring it onto the boards. Wum Articles A WUM article is any article aimed at provoking a reaction from other users of the forum. Any article containing attacks on an individual with no substance, whether a figure in the sport or forum member, is a WUM article. To avoid this, when stating something controversial, please make sure you use some sort of reasoning and logic, ideally with some facts, or a clear statement that it is simply your opinion. If you believe something to be a WUM thread, then replying to it will do no good at all, especially if you then become wound up On breaking the rules: Every case will be viewed independently by all 3 mods. If a post is deleted you are entitled to know why. This is done via PM and not on public boards. If we feel you are in a disruptive mood you may find yourself with a cool down ban. If we feel you are showing members in general or the board no respect then you will receive a cool down ban. If the problem is a bad one you will receive a permanent ban. There is no set amount of temp bans that will result in this so don't push it! The ignore function: Sometimes there will be someone who you simply can not see eye to eye with. Debate is always good but sometimes a line can be crossed without the house rules being broken. There is a way round this! Click on the persons profile and then under their avatar you can press "add to ignore list". This will make all of their comments invisible to you like they where never there. Click here to update your list - Ignore list Of course if you feel a member is being problematic then a message to a Mod could also be advisable. Play nice folks! and remember, Any post with an insult towards another member, regardless of its quality, will be removed Off Topic DHCanary has kindly created a group for off topic discussion: http://www.not606.com/group.php?groupid=81 [These rules were drawn up by our members for our members]
Gonna throw in a bit of a curve ball, but do we really need a set of rules? It should be obvious what does and doesn't go, and having a strictly defined set of guidelines contributed was part of what made the BBC such a hole, with legitimate posts being removed on a technicality, or subtly provocative articles being left up because they didn't technically break any rules. I think the most relevant point in the list is the ninth one, since some people often think their own views are more important than everyone else's to the point where they warrant their own threads. The rest should all go without saying.
Yes we need a set of rules! What is obvious to some is not necessarily obvious to others. This is the whole point of establishing some form of code of conduct. Without such a code, there is nothing to refer to when any of the things we have been discussing need it! Any group; club; community; society; body of people; establishment; place for debate; even discussion and conversation itself - needs some set of guidelines, along with effective policing of them to keep the house in order. Without such guidelines, people run amok and all respect tends towards anarchy. Imagine the FIA suggesting that competitors should obviously "know what does and doesn't go" without being told and without being effectively policed (moderated)! Your reference to BBC606 is interesting AG. Its strict guidelines were not what made it "such a hole". No; it was the inconsistency in the way it was done, together with ineffective communication of the reasons for actions taken. This left members confused, bamboozled and resentful, not only towards the BBC606 moderation team who were vastly understaffed with a gigantic work-load many magnitudes above what we have here, but also towards other members who may have been perceived as being treated differently! This is precisely why a proper code of conduct is necessary and precisely why it needs more attention in order to become more consistent. In the long-run, this leaves everyone knowing where they stand and dog-fights amongst members fade away.
what's the point in rules if they are ignored by all, including the mods? you have posters who make 1 decent post followed by 10 troll posts designed to start a row who then turn around acting all butthurt, and you can't see it's blatantly an alt.
I see this as a vitally important point. The first step is to have vigilant and consistent moderation, and this requires a commitment from those charged with such responsibility. This takes considerable effort until consistency is established - after which all else flows by example - with moderation itself becoming less and less necessary as membership gradually tunes in to become more 'self-moderating'. Once a ship is on course, it takes very little effort to steer properly; but left to its own devices, we run the risk of icebergs and storms, or eventually to run aground and be dashed upon the rocks. I also feel compelled to express concern about a forum whose officers question their own purpose. This is not a criticism AG; it is a genuine concern. Please take it positively.
Cosicave The BBC were editorial responsible for their content. They outsourced moderation to a company that did not understand sport but would save the BBC from litigation. The BBC606 forum was ruined by people that had vendettas. I created an article about Michael Schumacher and it was deleted on the grounds that it was “off topic”. No point in arguing with that. People want moderation only if it is their moderation. I can swear at you but you can not swear at me. On this section of the forum we have 3 members who are prepared to put the effort into trying to make the place welcome. There will always be someone that tries to spoil things. The forum is open to posting 24/7. We can not expect the 3 mods to be on duty all of the time. If a member has a problem then there should be a process of addressing that. You complain, your complaint is considered and then dealt with. As for the PM system, I tried that but I was ignored.
Yes. I know about the BBC organisation RI. That was a very large part of the problem: it took little or no account of personality clashes and - as you put it - what eventually escalated into 'vendettas'. In so doing, it virtually encouraged people to have a go at each other, because public figures were effectively 'out of bounds' if they were getting bad press (literally). For instance, it became almost impossible to repeat reports in newspapers unless it was a direct quotation, and in some instances they didn't even allow mention of what the BBC themselves had said, even with a direct link! Thus, it became a complete farce which reduced respect for the forum itself, which most early members been perfectly happy with, until they became very inconsistent. BBC 606 became what it became as a direct result of this (ahem) moderation. In fact, I wish there was another word because in reality, it was the complete antithesis of moderation!! But there are a few good F1 forums which run well because their moderation is both reasonable and vigilant. Of course, you are quite right about the difficulty of moderators being available. However, all it takes is for each moderator to have a quick scan through what has happened since his/her last visit, and most things will be covered adequately if prompt action is taken (if necessary) when it is first seen. In any case, when there is a particular difficulty, it usually becomes evident quickly . Besides, if people knew what to expect from the moderators, they'd be far more willing to interact with them in a positive way - and eventually the forum becomes almost self-moderating, with all members feeling that they are all part of the team. This is exactly what has happened at another small, British forum: Muzz606. Everyone knows where they stand and everyone is respected. New members are welcomed by all and if they want to stay, they very quickly adopt the same respect, adding weight to what already exists. But it was not always like that! It took a lot of hard work by a few dedicated people! In spite of the differences between members, what we all need to realise is that we are all part of the same thing; the same forum; and that when the inevitable disagreements arise, people treat it like a family disagreement, rather than deciding to wage war to exterminate the opposition. We all have our own views on things, but we all love F1 and we can all get along if people just try to see the bigger picture. It takes a bit of effort and a fair amount of active practice from all, but eventually it becomes much easier than one might think, and after a while it becomes as effortless as caressing a car through a series of bends - rather than fighting it all the way! Every worthwhile thing requires some effort in the early stages, but once learned, it becomes as second nature as riding a bike, and the whole quality of debate goes up another notch.
So the main problem is personal spats on the board. Hopefully if that is cut out (and dealt with when it arises) then the place will happy "pick up"
As a general statement, if you believe someone is trying to inflame a situation then rising to the "bait" gives them exactly what they wanted. Furthermore a situation can escalate making it differcult to control without draconian measures all round. Basically don't give the perpetrator what they want, and when we check the board its a lot easier to pick out one person out of one, than one out of many.
Can I suggest if you have a complaint about any members on the forum that you discuss it with all 3 mods via PM rather than posting it publicaly and causing more trouble than its worth. cheers EL_B
Guys I din't know where else to say this but... I am/used to be SamLovesLeeds, stop confusing me as a new member or a first time poster. New name, that's all
With regards to Martial (sorry for naming names but I think it's clear who people are referring to when they're ambiguous and I don't wish to skirt around the issue), I think it's clear that he always has to have the last word. The problem arises when you get two or more people enter a thread with the same mentality and keep on firing the same point back at each other with mounting anger until one of them eventually crosses a line. Just make your point and leave it there. If he disagrees let him, no one's going to argue with themselves and the thread will eventually slip off the bottom of the page. When you get a conversation along the lines of: I think Button's a better driver than in 09. I don't think he is. He is. He isn't. Interspersed with sarcastic comments and calls for the thread to be closed from other users I don't think you can pin the blame all on one user.
im an idiot I got confused with your age and post count =/ Those damn collectors are taking over my brain!
