Will Eddie Howe get Newcastle back into Europe

[Munson.]

Which using your own logic your initial claim that literally every player is worse under EH must also be baseless.

So, in your world, you've defeated your own argument. Brilliant.

I disagree.

The initial claim was that Howe is a chequebook manager... I'm Always here to keep you right folders.

 

[Magnet]

I disagree.

The initial claim was that Howe is a chequebook manager... I'm Always here to keep you right folders.

You disagree that you said literally every player has become worse under EH except Bruno. Hmmm.

Literally every player is worse than when we signed them and certainly previous seasons. The only exception Guimareas and Hall who were of course very expensive in the 1st place.

If Howes really improved the players why has he needed 700 million pounds.

Think you're going to lose that argument.

 

[Munson.]

You disagree that you said literally every player has become worse under EH except Bruno. Hmmm.



Think you're going to lose that argument.

I disagree with your understanding of the initial point, because you were of course wrong.

Claiming Howe isn't a chequebook manager because one player has maybe improved doesn't alter my opinion unfortunately.

Newcastle improved with the hundreds of millions spent..or an old term... Writing the correct cheques...... Then when the wrong cheques were written.. Guess what? Howe didn't improve anything, and we got worse.

The evidence is clear.... I mean, why can't howe simply improve the players?

 

[Magnet]

I disagree with your understanding of the initial point, because you were of course wrong.

Claiming Howe isn't a chequebook manager because one player has maybe improved doesn't alter my opinion unfortunately.

Newcastle improved with the hundreds of millions spent..or an old term... Writing the correct cheques...... Then when the wrong cheques were written.. Guess what? Howe didn't improve anything, and we got worse.

The evidence is clear.... I mean, why can't howe simply improve the players?

You trying to move them goalposts again.

Try re-reading your post. Try re-reading my response to that post. Crystal clear.

Apologies on a postcard happily accepted. You can try and tap dance now but the bad news is that you've already fallen off the tap.

 

[Munson.]

You trying to move them goalposts again.

Try re-reading your post. Try re-reading my response to that post. Crystal clear.

Apologies on a postcard happily accepted. You can try and tap dance now but the bad news is that you've already fallen off the tap.

The goalposts never moved... You tried to but I reminded you what the initial point was.

You attempted some classic penfold gymnastics.

 

[Magnet]

The goalposts never moved... You tried to but I reminded you what the initial point was.

You attempted some classic penfold gymnastics.

What by responding to exactly what you said.

I would advise that you put the shovel down or you will pop up in the desolate southern reaches of the Pacific Ocean.

 

[Munson.]

What by responding to exactly what you said.

I would advise that you put the shovel down or you will pop up in the desolate southern reaches of the Pacific Ocean.

Before that... Not oceans, but go further upstream and you'll find the answers.

 

[Roland Deschain]

He’s not.

 

[notanuvasuverngeordie]

"Literally every player" followed by "except". So even in your world, not "literally everyone" then.



How about Schar, Murphy, Miggy, Big Joe, as examples of players already here that were improved. Try Bruno, Isak, Hall, Tino as examples of players bought that were improved.

As for the money question it's either wumming or stupid and it's therefore pointless responding.

back to your conjecture topic shall we? Murphy has been dog, bar last season when isak converted everything murphy put into the box, alla almirons purple patch in autumn 22 (and was ****e before and after bar running round like a headless chicken). Schar has always been at the level he has played at. we didnt see it before howe because bruce didnt fancy him. joelinton found his true position in mf by accident. even the howe ins can verify that this was a happy accident. your revision of history and gaslighting is next level mate. congrats. you dont fool me one bit.

 

[Charlie Dogscock]

back to your conjecture topic shall we? Murphy has been dog, bar last season when isak converted everything murphy put into the box, alla almirons purple patch in autumn 22 (and was ****e before and after bar running round like a headless chicken). Schar has always been at the level he has played at. we didnt see it before howe because bruce didnt fancy him. joelinton found his true position in mf by accident. even the howe ins can verify that this was a happy accident. your revision of history and gaslighting is next level mate. congrats. you dont fool me one bit.

Yes it's all an accident, the 2 Champions Leagues and first domestic trophy in 70 years are universally regarded as an accident.

But no, you're talking horseshit - Murphy's form massively improved under Howe and he forced himself into the first team after he couldn't get into a much worse first team and had to go out on loan at West Brom, Schar massively upped his game to the point where he's been regular first choice in a massively stronger team, the Joelinton move was a result of experimentation but Howe saw his quality there (unlike Bruce who played him in midfield several times but always moved him back to striker) and immediately changed his position.

Likewise Isak, Bruno, Gordon, Tonali, Hall and Tino have clearly improved here as their values have soared since they came here.

 

[Munson.]

Murphy wasn't very good at all last season, so did Howe make him worse? Players have ups and downs... Too many fans have swallowed the managerial thing... It's all about money and these mangers are largely whistling into the wind.

 

[Magnet]

Yes it's all an accident, the 2 Champions Leagues and first domestic trophy in 70 years are universally regarded as an accident.

But no, you're talking horseshit - Murphy's form massively improved under Howe and he forced himself into the first team after he couldn't get into a much worse first team and had to go out on loan at West Brom, Schar massively upped his game to the point where he's been regular first choice in a massively stronger team, the Joelinton move was a result of experimentation but Howe saw his quality there (unlike Bruce who played him in midfield several times but always moved him back to striker) and immediately changed his position.

Likewise Isak, Bruno, Gordon, Tonali, Hall and Tino have clearly improved here as their values have soared since they came here.

Come on Chaz, nothing we have achieved has anything to do with EH. You surely (don't call me Shirley) can't believe EH had anything to do with the successes we've had since he joined. It's way clear to an idiot (don't call me notanuvasuvangeordie) that that is simply a coincidence.

 

[Munson.]

Nothing improved until after the 1st transfer window and unfortunately when the wrong cheques were written any improvements were lost.

Very telling.

It's why we might as well stick with Howe because it's all about recruitment and very little else.

 

[Magnet]

Nothing improved until after the 1st transfer window and unfortunately when the wrong cheques were written any improvements were lost.

Very telling.

It's why we might as well stick with Howe because it's all about recruitment and very little else.

Wrong again.

As someone who was going to the matches both before and after the takeover, the improvement in the quality of performance was evident almost immediately and regardless of purchases.

Don't forget some of the purchases were not played immediately eg Bruno and the improvement was clear prior to the results then following afterwards.

Yes the money subsequently played a big part and helped but the improvement of the players already there was occurring pretty quickly following EH's appointment. Again look at Schar, Big Joe (although I readily concede he was doing a lot for himself as well at that time and prior to it), Murphy, Miggy.

Money played a part but it's re writing history to overlook or minimise the effect that EH had.

 

[Munson.]

I see Liverpool need a knew manager.. I guess they'll be desperate to employ the Howe given he's improving players.

 

[Munson.]

Wrong again.

As someone who was going to the matches both before and after the takeover, the improvement in the quality of performance was evident almost immediately and regardless of purchases.

Don't forget some of the purchases were not played immediately eg Bruno and the improvement was clear prior to the results then following afterwards.

Yes the money subsequently played a big part and helped but the improvement of the players already there was occurring pretty quickly following EH's appointment. Again look at Schar, Big Joe (although I readily concede he was doing a lot for himself as well at that time and prior to it), Murphy, Miggy.

Money played a part but it's re writing history to overlook or minimise the effect that EH had.

the results only improved after the 1st spend and it was dramatic...history is in the results including losing to I think Sheffield Wednesday... Maybe wrong on the club

All you've got is your beliefs

 

[Magnet]

the results only improved after the 1st spend and it was dramatic...history is in the results including losing to I think Sheffield Wednesday... Maybe wrong on the club

All you've got is your beliefs

First three months

Won	Drawn	Lost	Goals For	Goals Against
12	3	4	5	13	21

The defeats included Arsenal and Liverpool away and Man U and Man City at home.

That period also included our first win of the season.

And the final game in that period was just after the close ot the transfer window and sparked a run of six wins in seven games.

Also you do realise that the big money spend in that transfer window was on Tripps, Wood, Bruno, Targett and Burn. Wood and Taggert had minimal effect. Bruno was only played lightly at the start. Which leaves the big money effect of Tripps and Burn at fees of £12M and £13m respectively.

So, yes memory comes into play but it would seem facts back it up.

 

[jimileysbaldhead]

First three months

Won	Drawn	Lost	Goals For	Goals Against
12	3	4	5	13	21

The defeats included Arsenal and Liverpool away and Man U and Man City at home.

That period also included our first win of the season.

And the final game in that period was just after the close ot the transfer window and sparked a run of six wins in seven games.

Also you do realise that the big money spend in that transfer window was on Tripps, Wood, Bruno, Targett and Burn. Wood and Taggert had minimal effect. Bruno was only played lightly at the start. Which leaves the big money effect of Tripps and Burn at fees of £12M and £13m respectively.

So, yes memory comes into play but it would seem facts back it up.

Can't wait for the counter argument against the truth.

 

[Munson.]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see when the change occurred... Cough after the January transfer window,and it was dramatic.

October Howe was installed as manager and before the first huge spend we won 1 game... After the spend we are seen winning regularly.

Before that Newcastle were still ****.

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[Roland Deschain]

Can those backing Howe explain why they don’t just look at the rubbish football with their eyes and think we could probably be better with someone else? Someone needs to explain why Howe is the very best Newcastle can hope for?