It wasn't an analogy. It was a question. Is the rejection of other people's beliefs/cultural practice racist? That, in a nut shell, was what my question boiled down to. I didn't answer it myself, but left it there to be answered. I didn't say it 'should' be accepted, either. If you want my actual opinion on the matter, I don't think it should be accepted, but that it should be accounted for to some degree. And the only way we'll know if this 8 match ban has taken this into consideration is by comparing the length of Terry's ban. He's English and knows what he said was racist. I don't like to mingle the two cases, but I think it's pertinent here. Also, without getting too far away from the issue, I'd like to know your opinions on this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070562/Muslim-girl-gang-kicked-Rhea-Page-head-yelling-kill-white-slag-FREED.html
Fair enough and I only presume that Suarez is guilty becuase he has been found so, NOT 'just' because Evra says so. It's difficult to trawl through all the ****e to find the sensible stuff but of course there is plenty, I was wrong to imply that 'because kenny says so' is what all are thinking but it is what some are. The FA are idiots, I don't doubt that. That's not to say they haven't made a good call here as hopefully it will make a resonant point.
I think its quite difficult for us to understand the Negrito/Negro differences, not fully understanding the Uruguay culture. One similar situation I couyld see causing a problem. Imagine a young english footballer playing in South Africa. Back home he called his mates boys. As in Alright Boy.. In South Africa, he does the same and says to an indigenous south african....Alright Boy...... The young English player gets banned for 8 games and fined 40,000 rand...... Could be a similar situation...maybe not....Its all about perception
Why is Sky getting grief. Kenny defended his player.......wow, shock horror. Most football clubs would defend their own no matter what. Doesnt mean that behind closed doors kenny backs him one bit. Sky is just using his own opinion here. Suarez has been found guilty, usually when people are found guilty its because they committed said crime......
The bit in bold was the purely hypothetical bit (muslims etc.), I interpreted the bit about his term being acceptable in Uruguay as being the analogy. Look, I know what you are saying and I'm completely sure that all of this has been taken into consideration. I expect that the FA have given themselves a fall back in the extent of the ban so when the ineviable appeal comes in they can reduce it so say four games and then they'll have made their point. Terry should without shadow get the same ban is what he said is proved to be racist in context. I'll have a look at the article. I've seen the film clip and we're all aghast in horror.
I agree, BUT you have to take into account the way this case was handled. It wasn't dealt with in a court of law, but by a board compiled by the FA. We have our various arguments as to why they have chosen to impose a ban of this length, and why Suarez is guilty and why he isn't, but nothing is completely 100% either way, as you correctly admit when you said 'usually'. I'm going to reserve judgement until (if) the full details are published.
My opinion here is that he seems to have been branded a racist on very little evidence. Nobody should be branded a racist unless there is concrete evidence. That does not appear to be the case at the moment.
Kenny would NEVER defend a racist player within his team. I'm not saying that out of blind faith, but due to the fact that the defence of a racist player would reflect pooly upon the ENTIRE club. No one is greater than the club. Kenny's and the club's statement are not of the usual drivel all managers use to defend players under red card sitations but are made of very bold statements in defence of a player under serious accusations. No one would defend a racist. Liverpool and Kenny are no exception.
Best ive heard so far, i carnt see how the fa can give out this kind of punishment and destroy suarez reputation because they PERCIVE his remark to be racist. In the multi cultural game that the prem has become, other cultures have surely got to be considered.
I was using the Muslim question as a more clear cut example of the Uruguay/England case (or trying to do so, although it may not be the best example.) I'll restate that I don't think he should be excused on the basis of cultural differences (for one, it prevents every foreign player accused of anything on the field in future trying this route.) I'd be interested to know, however, whether the FA have anything about cultural misunderstandings (be it language, gestures or whatever) in their rules, and how they are dealt with.
I know mate and I realise you're always very considered with your posts, it's just that from a personal point of view I won't condemn him just because the FA says he's been a naughty boy UNTIL I've seen/heard the exact reasons for the ban. Liverpools statement is pretty bold one to make if the evidence was quite as clear cut as some are suggesting...and frankly bloody foolish if that evidence is cast iron enough to warrant such a punishment. Either the FA have ****ed it up big time or we as a club are about to
But Suarez isn't the first South american or Uryguayn (sp) player to come to the EPL so is that an excuse, seeming as no other charge has been brought before ? To me either Suarez has been stupid and then falling back on cultural differences or other players have been more intelligent to understand what is acceptable in the EPL
This is also very true. Either the FA/Evra are going to lose alot of public credibility over this or Liverpool/Dalglish/Suarez will. I think liverpool's decision if to appeal or not (I suspect they will based on their statement) will take us on a very interesting path towards someone's reputation being, basically, **** upon.
Or the third possibility is the one you highlighted. It may simply have gone unreported. The word 'negrito' may have been used, but misheard or simply not understood.
Apparently own opinions are seem as insults and I'm supposed to agree with the majority, although I think the majority are wearing tinted glasses. What a load of bollocks - just because I support Liverpool I'm supposed to be naive enough to believe 100% what my club tells me?
It's a farce and I do have a small amount of sympathy for Suarez as there seems they may not have been racial intent. However, as I've said before I don't think intent is the issue here. One thing is for sure that this will rumble on and on. Liverpool must be sure on their beliefs or else defending such actions so strongly would look really bad on the club.
