Celticfanzone.net Survey on "that" banner

I don't know if we have enough Celtic fans to conduct a poll on here so I decided to nick the result of a poll from Celticfanzone.net. They have had 53 fans voting which is not a huge amount admittedly but I suppose 53 is a damn sight more than we have.
Their survey asked the question:

"Was the UEFA Banner out of Order?"

Results so far from 53 votes.

Definately (sic) - 79% (42 Votes)
No Chance - 13% (7 votes)
Not Sure - 8% (4 votes)


What do you think? Is this fairly representative of the Celtic support as a whole or can this result not be taken at face value?

 

Definately (sic) - 79% (42 Votes)



kafflick skools eh?

 

Most definately

 

Can't be true.

There are people on this board who represent the majority of the true Celtic fans and they would never vote like that. Especially when you consider how Rangers managed to get away with it and that the SFA are about to be kicked out of FIFA because Sion used a Swiss government arm to have the game of football administered extramunktiously.

 

Unless i sneakily voted 42 times

 

Definately out of order , but as club , what more can we do . We employ stewards on these trips , only 600 there . With only one arrest ,were the stewards there to do their job or watch the game ???

 

I think you are right Harry, there is not a lot that our stewards could have done but that really was not the point I was attempting to make here. I think the poll (although small) shows that Celtic fans by and large want nothing to do with these malcontents (c) Michael Kelly. Would you agree with that ?

 

The thing is, the IRA stuff aside, I really like the Green Brigade. They bring atmosphere to Celtic Park at times when it's like a funeral in the stadium.

For me, there are unfortunately a quite a few within their group who see it as a way to make political statements instead of supporting the team, which should be the main priority of every fan. (And I'm not saying the other 50,000 fans at Parkhead every few weeks are any better with that at times...)

 

Did Lawell not say this has nothing to do with the Green brigade and Lennon went out his way to thank the fans for their support yesterday .Last couple of seasons the atmosphere at games has been terrific , got to weed out the idiots though and then were onto something . Look at sky advert for their christmas football , football fans singing ' you just can't get enough'

 

After the last discussion I've decided to revise my mystic meg estimation.

Queue 7 page topic on why RB thinks that the poll was staged

 

I think most people like the GB's support for the team, if they leave the protests and political stuff outside the stadium everyone wins.

 

Out of Order , a bit stupid aye but let be sensible.

 

Obviously.

 

Unlikely.

I think everyone now agrees - the debate is over

 

What debate was that?

 

No particular reason for quoting you, Rebel, other than the fact that you're used to my longer contributions and may feel some sympathy towards my befuddlement. Could be wrong. (I'll be back to the "Banned" debate in the new year, incidentally.)

Anyway, I don’t think I understand this. (I’ve missed everything until today, so excuse any gaps in knowledge, please.)

This banner said “**** Uefa”? I think this is the one you’re (all) talking about?

If the banner had simply said “Uefa”, then I’m assuming there would have been no problem, which means the problem must lie with the word “****”? (Or have I missed something?)

Is this word prohibited at football? If so, when did this happen? Does this prohibition extend to the use of the word “****” in football songs and/or those verbal exchanges between fans? Or how about between players, whether they happen to be on the same team or not? If not, why not? Is there a particular distinction to be made between the written word “****” and the spoken word “****” (at football)? If so, how come? If not, why not?

If the word is to be banned as a written expression (or deemed financially punishable – I just read that Celtic had been “charged” for the offence, although it remains to be seen what the punishment will be, right enough), then it must surely also be banned (or deemed financially punishable) as a musical (or spoken) expression or the legitimacy of the complaint against the use of the word is made instantly redundant and meaningless.

For all those sensitive TV viewers who may be visually horrified by a written representation of the word “****”, there might just as reasonably be whole armies of people offended by the use of the word “****” in song or conversation within the ground or when the word is very easily lip-readable on the mouths of our darling footballers – and there is no reason that the sensibilities of these offended people should play second-fiddle to the sensibilities of the visually offended people. Consistency, that’s all we ask.

And if the word “****” isn’t universally prohibited or financially punishable at football – and let’s face it, it’s not – then where else might football fans better express their annoyance at football’s governing body (whether or not we may believe they have a right to this sense of grievance) than at a football match itself? This might seem to many to be exactly the sort of place to make protest against those running the sport. This stands to a kind of reason, surely?

And if the word and (consequently) banner are to be deemed offensive – and fair enough, if someone wants to find this offensive they can find it offensive - how on earth can one club (Celtic) be charged and/or potentially fined for the lax gate policy of another club (Udinese)? Surely the Udinese officials should have confiscated this banner before it ever saw the (prolonged) light of day? How is it conceivable that Celtic might be punished for this? None of it makes sense (to me). It all feels a bit muddled, no? Rather dodgy and dangerous ground?

Side-issue: I’m always going to find the politically fascist art (no words needed) at Lazio a lot more repulsive than the word “****”. But I’ll live.

I’m a little bit stunned that in a free society anyone – let alone an admittedly unscientific majority of Celtic fans – would consider such a banner “out of order”, let alone deserving of an institution being fined, punished or condemned on the back of it. The thing that would instantly strike me as being “out of order” is the anti-democratic, run-to-mummy, meekly accepting the curtailment of free speech reaction to the banner, not the banner itself – however lame and dull-minded it may be.

I mean, in very specific relation to this banner, what is the precise nature of the crime? Or, to be more blunt: what in the very literal name of **** is the problem here?