so the Uk company who owned Vivergo shuts the facility and soon after a US company now plans a similar facility - I smell a trade deal feature . So the revenue disappear to the States ? UK economy shafted again , mind you at least we can go to China without a visa !
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Wheat is a world market traded commodity, the price is pretty much the same everywhere.
It had been shut down a couple of times over the last decade due to lack of profitability. Fine balance between investing in something that will eventually make money and propping up a failing business. OLM's original post that started the discussion shows that investment in chemical/fuel production in the region is ongoing, so it's positive news overall - it's really ****ty working for a company that is going bust.
We were supposed to go with some friends but they had to cancel.
Hopefully we’ll go there when we reschedule
But as with the power companies etc and water companies, the bulk of the revenue goes out of the country , pretty sure Siemens revenue goes too . Successive govts have given up giving huge subsidies to UK companies The longer it goes on with people doing soft jobs , the knowledge. Skills and expertise base reduces each year , eventually we can’t do anything ‘technical’ . Pressing computer buttons doesn’t build ships , roads , buildings , machines , schools etc , so who is going g to do it when the middle aged and older engineers we have retire ? . I don’t suppose the 700k graduates who have mental health will change career path - taking a worthwhile job would benefit many I’m sure .
80% of the UK economy is the service sector - the UK is extremely strong in tech and has the second largest financial hub in the world... Pressing computer buttons are generating a lot of money and no less worthwhile than building a ship or being a civil engineer.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the louvers on the clock tower on Hull Minster (as is) still showed damage on them years later.
And that financial hub dictates everything I. This country hence the affluence of the South and the poverty of the north . Do you really put value on an ability to move currency and shares at speed on a computer against the value of ‘making ‘ something that allows you to live , travel , keep warm keep cold and actually have a place to do your work . Yes I agree all good jobs have a value but the value of ‘ manual’ jobs is and has always been seen as a poor man’s task , like the army in wars .
It’s about worth and value of a person and his or her contribution to life . Manual work breaks your body long before it should , thousands of ‘old’ people having hip ops is not just age its damage to joints caused by manual tasks .
I have no issue with the benefit of computers and ‘useful’ society contributing functions , maybe it’s just the absolute worthless crap that’s generated that stupid people see as ‘valuable ‘
One of the major advantages of working online, is that you can do if from anywhere, so you can potentially work for a London company on London money, while living in Hull. I appreciate it will be a limited amount of people who can actually do that at the moment, but it will increase.
Both my son and his girlfriend work entirely online, his girlfriend isn't even limited to UK work, she currently works as a research analyst for an American pharmaceutical company.
I suppose / accept as I’ve said there will be many worthwhile instances , jobs, benefits to the data driven society . Equally when the country was awash with manufacturing other than the Unions there was less centralised power it was diverse which gave more voices more power or some equality . The reason we have sold off our utilities to many foreign investors is because of the lack of control and greed enabled it hence the financial polarisation . What I don’t understand is that as each of our long standing traditional ‘skills’ is sold off or replaced by a foreign subsidised company people appear to shrug their shoulders . I value people cycling to work at 6 am from across Hull in the dark and cold to ‘make ‘ something tangible - I did it .
Unfortunately pensions are now embedded in the financial institutions to such an extent that this will continue. If you make something here and sell it abroad that money comes back here , people do not see that if the opposite happens the amount of money in our economy gradually shrinks so prices rise to compensate for it - it’s a direction of disaster . People have always been the greater asset . India is next after China , whilst the West spends more money on ‘social ‘ issues because people don’t feel valued - how can you if you produce nothing you can see ?
Apologies it’s deep , I’m older than many and I worked in manufacturing engineering g for many years .
Unfortunately pensions are now embedded in the financial institutions to such an extent that this will continue. If you make something here and sell it abroad that money comes back here , people do not see that if the opposite happens the amount of money in our economy gradually shrinks so prices rise to compensate for it - it’s a direction of disaster . People have always been the greater asset . India is next after China , whilst the West spends more money on ‘social ‘ issues because people don’t feel valued - how can you if you produce nothing you can see ?
Apologies it’s deep , I’m older than many and I worked in manufacturing engineering g for many years .
How do the plumbers, electricians, joiners, brickies, mechanics and the likes work from home? Ah that's right we have devalued such type of work to such an extent that there aren't any.
YEB used to take on about 200 apprentices every year now after it's been sold off over and over there's virtually no one getting trained.
Thousands go to uni but don't end working in the profession they studied, what a waste.
My view is coloured because I was the bloke you called when the wheels fell off or a spanner dropped into the works, literally not figuratively. No working from home for me.
YEB used to take on about 200 apprentices every year now after it's been sold off over and over there's virtually no one getting trained.
Thousands go to uni but don't end working in the profession they studied, what a waste.
My view is coloured because I was the bloke you called when the wheels fell off or a spanner dropped into the works, literally not figuratively. No working from home for me.
If you worked in engineering you should know automation of manual work has been going on for decades, it doesn't mean nothing gets manufactured anymore it just requires less labour. There are loads of engineering jobs around in many sectors, every business needs software engineering these days. I also think the north south divide is far less than it was with Leeds and Manchester booming and remote working allowing engineers to work from any location, even with AI clever people can do clever jobs from almost anywhere.
There are loads of young people working in manual trades and construction, my brother runs an electrical business, takes on apprentices and is as busy now as he has ever been.
I'd have loved nothing more than working from home,sadly they wouldn't allow me to take a forklift off the premises...
Just about every tradesman I've used in recent years has said they can't get apprentices for love nor money, kids don't seem to want to be in trade.
That's a crying shame, as these skills will eventually just disappear if they're not being passed down from worker to worker.A lot of 'tradesman' arriving at front doors nowadays are cowboys who've worked with someone else for a couple of years and just decided they're a plumber,joiner or electrician.
They,of course,charge as if qualified!!!
Funny that Ric. I knew a fella who tried that. He was working night shift and thought it would be a good idea to 'nip home' on his forklift truck in the dead of night and drop off half a pallet of paving slabs that he thought were surplus to requirements where he worked. All went well until he drove over a cast iron drain cover 100 yards from his house and a quarter of a mile from where he worked. He doesn't work there any more.
