Off Topic Starmer/ Reeves: last man standing

I agree about listening to scientists, which seem to say it's alright for China, India etc to open coal mines, but not ok for West. There will still be plenty of open cast sites available though

 

Have not even heard of him

 

I would say China is probably the worst example you could pick but certainly they do seem to be putting a lot of investment into renewables which can only be a good thing.

 

They are opening 2 a week = 104 a year, I don’t believe our 1 is drastically going to make a big difference.

 

They are still opening them though, you could say they have adults in charge compared to the last few shambles here. They know you cannot use renewable only, take note labour and greens

 

Despite what the activists say, we can't just switch from fossil fuels to a more environmentally friendly fuel over night, probably not even over the next 10-20 years.

It's a no brainer to me that we should be using our own resources rather than importing while we phase it out. We also need to be cracking on with the new nuclear power plants.

 

So no investment in renewables as Farage tells us?

China hasn’t put a handbrake on their economy unlike Brexit uk and need the energy as we did in the 1800s. As highlighted above they are investing significantly in renewables which is the right thing to do so you are right they must have some adults running the show.

A sensible policy would be to invest in renewables and limited nuclear as we wind down fossil fuels which is sensible and very sensible for our children and children’s children. Adults are making those decisions.

Given the disastrous privatisation of utilities by the tories in the 80s, with its legacy of high bills and poor infrastructure, I don’t think we should take any lectures from the right on this. I’m sure stockbroker Nigel, when he was a member of the Tory party, would have been delighted with privatisation. Sadly these privatisation decisions have been a disaster for the vast majority of people in this country with sky high bills. A limited number of shareholders will be delighted though.

 

Should take no lectures from any extremist esp the school ground political.

 

Hilarious Jim. You need to listen to experts more certainly on climate change.

 

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They should be building 20 a year to our 1 if they were doing it pro rata, 104 is not helping the environment, so as I said 1 is hardly going to make difference.

 

That is the man who died in the back of an ambulance that was blocked getting him to hospital by protesting farmers tractors. Colin Brian Gliebitz. RIP

 

China generates coal power at roughly fifteen times our total energy use. And they have openly stated that they have no intention of stopping or slowing down. Nor do India, who generate roughly five times our usage using coal and are accelerating sharply. The US, Japan and others are also ramping up their use of coal. As, of course is Germany, who are not only ramping up their coal production, they are doing so using lignite, the dirtiest of coals, though it has to be said that they do still deliver a good eco lecture to everyone else.

Coal, like gas, like oil, is not going away.

We of course don't even need coal for energy, though it would be handy for steel making, which is why Milliband is importing 50m+ tons from Japan, having halted the Cumbrian mine which was to be used for that exact purpose. Got to hand it to mad Ed!

But we have vast reserves of gas. It is cheaper to extract, much cleaner and the CCGT stations, though they are quite old now, are extremely efficient, and when needed are quick and easy to build.

So instead we are using wind, some solar, biomass, nuclear and some other small means. And of course we import a lot of electricity now, at high prices. And there is gas. We use more gas than any other fuel over a year, only we have to import a lot of it now, almost half of it, at high prices.

If you wondered why we have the highest electricity prices in the developed world, and why the poorest people especially and businesses are struggling to survive under the weight of such, then the answer is that insane, literally mad energy policy.

 

According to Jeremy Clarkson, Nigel Farage, and various other toffs, you've spelled 'heroes' wrong there mate.

 

Of course China with 1.5bn population, USA with 350m population and UK 75 million. So yes you would expect China to have the biggest carbon emissions, USA per capital is the biggest polluter.

Personally I reckon China should speed up its target to zero emissions