Off Topic Starmer/ Reeves: last man standing

But they are getting more popular. In fact the Lib Dem’s have also gone up a couple of points. They have a strong argument on the economy. Customs union with the EU and immediately boost the economy rather than all this messing around.

 

They are taking some votes of labour and left side of tories not a fraction of Reform though.

Come on Greens and economy are like chalk and cheese, they just want to destroy the country to virtue signal to their mates in other countries

 

No politician I have heard in years is prepared to utter the blindingly obvious truth.

Which is that the state must be reduced in size.

Reduced in it's take of people's money and reduced in it's hideous and constantly growing strangulation of society in a blizzard of control, regulation and interference.

This results is more people becoming infantilised, expecting the state to solve all their problems. The state becomes less able to do it. More taxation and excessive restrictions means business shrinks and retreats.

More people, seeing themselves work for barely any extra, work themselves onto the benefit system. More tax needed. More burden on individuals and businesses. Less tax raised. More money needed.

The picture needs no further paint. It has happened everywhere it has ever been tried. No exceptions. Every time.

It is a genuine Gordian knot, hard enough to solve when a commited attempt is made. But it is being ignored in the hope that, Micawber like, something will turn up.

It will.

By next year we will be spending over a third of all borrowing in interest on previous loans, and this will now accelerate as bond markets will smell blood.

What they will do down the line is require action before loan, and believe me, that will not be pretty. If we did not know better, as this is so easy to see, you would think the calamity was deliberate rather than just complacent incompetence. I still think it is the latter. You have to think that .

 

It is, but a bit daft isnt it? Sugar tax in general. Nanny state and all the bollocks. I like the full turbo irn bru after a few bevvies. I am in my fifties and old enough to make my own sugary drink choices.

 

What do you propose mate? Sounds like substantial cuts to the state and if so, where would you make them?

 

Reforms vote has dropped 2 the last couple of weeks and Lib Dem’s up two. Probably because they are being found out for being a racist led organisation and their blame of migrants for everything is becoming farcical. They are a one trick pony and their trick is a lie.
https://bsky.app/profile/britainelects.com/post/3m6hkfnxhw62q

 

NO NO NO, you are not qualified enough to make that decision,.

 

Lib Dem’s blame of Brexit on everything is also farcical.

 

I’d say the blinding obvious truth is wealth and assets are moving upwards, inequality is increasing and it’s coming to a point it needs sorting. Take away public services and you make the suffering suffer more. We always need to update, modernise and identify waste. Cutting public services is for the cruel and uncaring and is bad economically as they general prevent costs further ahead. Poverty causes poor health, more crime and we have to pay some where. Cutting an activity budget for young people has caused a mental health epidemic.

 

Would we be substantially economically better off without Brexit ? Yes or no

 

Nobody knows for sure, you can only compare difference between countries before and after, and what i have seen is very little change. It also does not help when influential people encourages EU to play hardball at every turn instead of accepting a democratic vote

 

You are probably right tbh

 

Substantially no. I voted remain, but not on economic or immigration grounds.

Any semi literate govt in this country will understand and solve our economic challenges. The EU wasnt there for that.

 

Keep screaming racists someone will believe you. Your obsession with Reform is borderline insane

 

I beg to differ
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-tax-rachel-reeves-budget-b2871536.html
Would you have done it if you knew this ? If the supposed NHS saving was replaced by this?

 

Rowley will have much better views on this.

My own opinion, working inside a quasi state organisation. Too much red tape is bleeding money. Too many govt targets and audit bodies who know **** all but have you dancing an expensive dance. Lets quit with inquiries and investigations and crack on with moving forward - way too much rear view mirror stuff.

The big stuff, that nobody is prepared to accept. Our welfare bill is too high. Our spending is stupid. Politicians like vanity projects - HS2 - stop them.

Dare I mention the NHS? We treat it as a crown jewel but is it fit for the modern population who lives longer, which in itself causes higher care cost. Is it fit for the size of our population now? Why are we one of two countries with this model. It is out of date and needs reform. I have said before the dutch model is worth looking at. Means tested. If you can afford to pay you should, if not you get the same access. But has to be coupled with a 3 line whip to work and pay in if you can. No exceptions.

 

You can drink what you want, it’s not banned, but they are saying if you do you pay more to offset the health costs. I think there’s logic in it. What we need alongside it is low cost healthy food not the wellness industry tax.

 

Behind a paywall i refuse to pay. But I do not believe the headline for 1 minute. That is 10% of the overall HMRC take in year.

 

The "Fit for the Future" 10-year plan for the NHS focuses on three strategic shifts: moving care from hospitals to the community and people's homes, transitioning from analogue to digital services, and shifting from treating sickness to prioritising prevention.

I dislike a lot of this Labour. I like the NHS plan. Preventing crime also prioritises prevention. There’s not enough prevention. You can’t remove the money to have prevention initially. Over time it saves money. The biggest mistake of austerity is it ends up costing us more. It’s a false economy.

 

The logic is weak. It is an easy target. It should be targeted at kids, not adults. But then you are into the argument about responsible parenting, which is lessening by the year in this country. The state of education in the home is a disgrace in 2025.