It's semantics really isn't it. The people using the system are part of the system and the system can't function without them. If any part of the system isn't working then the whole doesn't work. If any one out of the audio links, the cameras, the monitors or the humans working the equipment fails then the whole system fails. The only part of the system that keeps malfunctioning is the human.
Interesting article on sky showing what we all know but the drop off in running stats / pressing stats and counter pressing stats is astronomical. Now we expected it to drop from 2 years ago as Slot has a different more methodical style which helped us preserve fitness and probably led to less injuries, but even comparing it to last season is a huge drop off. https://www.skysports.com/football/...r-physicality-and-intensity-between-the-lines Interceptions and tackles per game down from 25 to 20 Distance coveted, we are 3rd lowest with only West Ham and Chelsea below us. Man City and Arsenal are 2 of the top 3 Distance covered down albeit slightly Pressure down from around 335 per 90 to less than 280!! Counter pressures down from 84 to 75 Looking at individuals Szobo numbers hugely down but also impacted by playing RB But jones minus 17, gravenverch minus 10 mac minus 8 and gakpo minus 14 are huge drops offs which are allowing teams to get up the field at us so much easily. Has to be a mixture of both tactics and fitness
You get pelted because you have a habit of talking at people other than to them or you're making out that you're the font of all football knowledge other than just having an opinion or to suggest how you think or feel how things may go.
The evidence of your eyes tells you that as well, but I did think Szobbo was being more the number 8 we bought two seasons ago, except, of course, for those games he's been shoe-horned into the RB position.
True. But there is nothing wrong with the technology. A computer or screen didn't decide Vini Junior was outside the box or that Robbo was interfering with play
I think JB's point is that the system comprises of both the technology and the people using it, and as such it is a failure. Imo it was always doomed, because it was talked up as being able to eradicate mistakes and injustices, and that just couldn't happen, and never will - even if it becomes more automated. A machine can detect contact but it can't judge if that contact is sufficient to make a player go down. I said from the start that I was against VAR because it would never be able to live up to its sales pitch, and was just going to slow everything down and take the immediacy out of the game. I'd still vote for scrapping it, given the opportunity.
No problem it's just the way you are, doesn't mean I'm not going to say it. That's just the way I am.
I understand he meant both. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with the actual technology. Grouping then together just allows the 'humans' to hide I agree the entire thing is broken at present, but it's only the human aspext that needs to change
We both agree that it's the human aspect that is the problem. As with all technology, if just one component fails, the whole thing fails. If you remove the part that's failing in the VAR system, the human, then you have no system, so no matter how state of the art a system is, it's useless if it can't be worked properly. You have to 'group them together' because the technology relies on the person using it in order for it to be any use at all. I think we're essentially saying the same thing, we're just looking at it differently.
VAR could probably be made to work if all of the PGMOL were rounded up and shoved off Beachy Head, with Oliver being the first over the edge. I certainly think we have nothing to lose in trying this. Or maybe we should have some Incan sacrifice rituals performed on a pyramid outside Stockley Park. It's worth a go.
My view is that VAR cannot "work" as often see incidents differently on this board and we support the same team in fact in some cases there is no definitive right answer imo
Yes, but if you'll forgive the facetious nature of my post that you quoted, tbf, that's because we all see the game subjectively. I accept that many refereeing decisions are by nature subjective, but consistency is the key. But if you're saying things can not work because of subjective differences, then even every park referee is ****ed, never mind VAR. Look, what it all boils down to in this one instance is this - the lino made a call from an angle where he had no way of judging the goalie's line of sight. Oliver agreed it was right because Robbo was 'close' to him, though he made no effort to judge the keeper's view, nor whether Robbo was actually impeding the goalie's dive (he wasn't). He just took the easy option and rubber-stamped the on-field subjective call because the player was 'close' to the goalie. Well, if that's the standard (endorsed, of course, by Howard Webb now and the PGMOL [as they always do in Oliver calls]) then there is absolutely no purpose of VAR at all except in 'objective' calls, but, given the call against Brentford for a pen by Virgil, and Bobby's 'Armpit' goal some seasons ago, even those are subjective in that it relies upon the VAR operator judging when the cross - in this instance from Robbo - is actually played, and when the contact by Virgil close to the line specifically happened, not when the attacker's foot still carried onto after the initial touch.
I would get rid of VAR purely on the basis of it taking the joy out of scoring goals. How many times do we see subdued / delayed celebrations from the fear of a VAR review that can take an age. It's awful.
I've not read the entire conversation (shock, horror ) but I think there are two conversations; some want rid of VAR, others (maybe just me) would like to see competent individuals operating the perfectly adequate technology available. VAR can work, and it is extremely easy to fix. But, imo, they're trying to hard to make it perfect and infallible - an impossible task that makes the entire process time consuming and worse. What ever happened to 'clear and obvious error'...? - The Man City penalty wasn't a clear and obvious error by the on field ref, so leave it be. - The handball by Vini was a clear and obvious error, so intervene (Two perfectly good good examples of human incompetence there too btw)
never wanted it never will in present form . Only way it would be acceptable would be to do a very quick view for blatant offsides and i mean properly blatant
