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Will Still OUT

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by tomw24, Sep 20, 2025.

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Sack now?

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  1. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    I agree there's definitely an element of that and that most people would, but I think the whole xg thing is fundamentally flawed as it's not something which is strictly measurable.

    I think you said that ours v Swansea was significantly higher than Brentford had at West Ham which is an absolute nonsense imo.
     
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  2. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    Yeah we were about 1.2 higher
     
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  3. RSS

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    It's where one of our issues lie, but it's not our only issue. Our xG has been so high because we have missed a few absolute sitters and a few very good chances too. I don't think we've been creating loads of chances every game. Enough to have a few more points on the board sure. But even with that we are still a long way off performing like a top team at this level.
    We rarely get more than a 20 minutes spell where we play well and create chances in a game. Not sure you'd really expect to win many games if you only play well for such short periods of games. I don't think everything is Will Stills fault at all. But our issues aren't purely down to our finishing either, or our brain fart defending, or GK errors.
     
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  4. st_brendy

    st_brendy Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'm not keen at looking at xG on a granular level - eg one match - but I do like it on a much wider level. It's very clear that, for example, we've scored far less than we should have done, whilst Coventry have been fortunate to have as many goals as they do. xG duly reflects that.

    I recently read xGenius, which I found quite an interesting book on the subject.
     
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  5. Saints_Alive

    Saints_Alive Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, the fact that 4 of the top 6 in that table are actually in the bottom half of the real table tells a story.
     
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  6. st_brendy

    st_brendy Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Agreed.

    Our quantity of missed chances is a big problem, and it's certainly cost us points, but I do think some people are hiding behind that even though it's clearly not our only issue.
     
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  7. AberdeenSaint

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    Right back is singularly the easiest position in the team to fill. I used to be a RB ! Of course it would be great to have a specialist RB in that position, but any competent player with some defensive nous should be able to slot in. Edwards, Stephens or Downes for example.
     
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  8. Billy Bates

    Billy Bates Well-Known Member

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    Not in a back 3 it isnt. In a flat back 4 i feel it is easier, yes.

    I'd be happy with a back 4 with Edwards playing the RB role. Weirdly though i think Downes would be a disaster there.
     
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  9. AberdeenSaint

    AberdeenSaint Well-Known Member

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    Agree, RWB is a more challenging role.
     
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  10. jonny 'hasen' shuttle

    jonny 'hasen' shuttle Well-Known Member

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    Id bet my house (if i had one) thatv WS will not be manager come the end of the season
     
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  11. Shepherd's Clearing

    Shepherd's Clearing Well-Known Member

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    It's not so much that - what worries me is who will replace him and whether that person will get the players they want, or will they pretend the players they have are exactly what they desire (because they are desperate for the job)?
     
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  12. CowtownKiwi

    CowtownKiwi Well-Known Member

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    The players are doing him no favours what so ever. So if Still does get the boot, who takes over?
    I am still behind him, hopefully he is on a sharp learning curve.
    (I see what I did there ) lol
     
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  13. Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc)

    Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc) Well-Known Member

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    It is pretty obviously going to happen at some point. The only question is whether the board have learned from the mistake they made when sacking Martin too late.
     
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  14. Number 1 Jasper

    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    For all you calling for WS to go .

    Who do you think will WANT to come here ?

    Not who YOU want , but WHO will WANT to come here ?
     
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  15. Saints FC 76

    Saints FC 76 Well-Known Member

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    Do they sack him now without a replacement lined up, or see who's interested and then get rid?
     
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  16. st_brendy

    st_brendy Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Lallana can step into the dugout for next weekend.
     
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  17. Puck

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    At this point I wonder whether we need a Pardew type. Someone old school who's done it at a higher level and will give the players kick up the arse and hopefully change the mentality of the squad.
     
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  18. saintlyhero

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    SR about 1 in 10 on player signings, so we must be close to finding a good manager
     
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  19. metalmonkey80

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    Watch us put Ange in now..
     
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  20. Che’s Godlike Thighs

    Che’s Godlike Thighs Well-Known Member

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    There’s only one answer to this.

    And he’s dating Lucy Pinder.
     
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