I don't know, that is why I asked I understood your argument, you accepted it was flawed. Move on. II see, so the position of previous boards is accepted until they explicitly say that this policy has been rescinded? Applying this principle, it is absolutely acceptable to suggest that the board wholeheartedly endorse militant Irish Republicanism seeing as they never rescinded this policy. I am not doing that, just suggesting that this is a logical conclusion if you follow the same principles. Of course it was silly of me to think that when you referenced the board that you meant the board that run the club. There is not a damn thing wrong with Singing Boys of the Old Brigade in any case. Answer the question. The song fits your criteria as an acceptable rebel song so is therefore acceptable. Correct or incorrect? Very tiresome, but seeing as you are prone to ambiguity I thought it best to clarify.
I was just checking to see if people were paying attention...... I hadn't even realised I'd done it. <subliminalapostrophe>.
Smashing Errr, yes dear (I believe that's the accepted term of dismissal here) Hmmm. So are you suggesting the anti-sectarian initiative started by the celtic board in the 90s is now irrelevant? It has no resemblance to the current policy of the club? You know I've never seen, read or heard any single utterance from the current celtic board that has condemned the throwing of bananas at black players. So can we assume that, regardless of whether previous board members have spoken on this specific matter, that we have carte blanche to do so? Which song? The ballad of whatsisname? The fields...? I've already said I don't know anything about the first and have said the second is fine as far as I'm concerned. As I've said, no one else seems to have found my viewpoint ambiguous. Truth is you've singularly failed to give a counter argument to the initial premise of the thread - just to remind you that was quite simply: stop IRA chants (or songs blah-blah-blah ) because the club's image and finances are quite evidently negatively affected, but have merely tried to pick flaws in my posts, tried to find a lack of consistency, and erroneously suggested I've altered posts to suit a changing or ambiguous argument. It's gone beyond tedious. So I'm out
No, I am not suggesting that at all. I am very obviously suggesting that when you referenced "the board" you should have stated that you did not mean the present board, you meant the board from some time ago. For whatever reason, you chose not to. If you wish to discuss flawed initiatives from 15 years ago, then go right ahead. No, but it is extremely presumptuous of you to speak on behalf of the board. You don't know the first thing about BOTOB yet saw fit to comment. No. 11 pages of debate proves the answer is no. Several pages of not knowing the prove the answer is no On discovering what that song/chant/ ditty is, we disagree on whether the song/chant/ ditty is a Celtic song, or an "IRA ditty". Thus proving the answer is no. You contend that this is proof that no "IRA ditties" should be sung at all, then concede that perhaps we may not get punished for all "IRA ditties", thus proving that the answer is no. You contend that some rebel songs are acceptable. Bizarrely you reject the notion that one particular song as being acceptable, despite the people referenced in the song being honoured as founding fathers of a nation by visiting Heads of State from all over the world. I contend that this is absolutely acceptable, even using your frame of reference. Thus proving the answer is no. These are all points I have made throughout this discussion. Quite how you missed them is somewhat of a mystery to me but never mind, we got here eventually. I am not talking about your opinion. I know what that is. It is as valid as mine. I am talking about your original assertion which I am sure you will now agree was wrong.
Is this thread not called 'The debate is over'?! Clearly not Lads move on, Gerry and Martin, have it's time yous did too
I can't help myself My understanding is that the views of the current board on the topic of sectarianism and 'controversial' songs are the same as those of the board that introduced Bhoys against Bigotry. I have not seen or heard any statement from the current board to contradict that belief and more than a few that would support it. I never claimed to speak on behalf of the board merely stated what I believe to be the official position of Celtic FC regards the singing of specific songs. I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion I don't know anything about BOTOB. I guess it suits your argument to paint me as ignorant in your typically condescending way. So I know the lyrics and I know the subject matter. I know that the club requested fans to desist in singing it as long ago as the mid 90s. I know that the press has picked up on the 'I joined the IRA' line more than a few times in recent months and years. I know Pat Nevin and the BBC specifically described it (inaccurately) as sectarian during the cup final and when challenged stuck to their guns (thus emphasizing the fact that the song is clearly viewed as offensive by 'some') This is not to say my personal view of the song is to find it offensive, nor sectarian, nor promoting the pIRA (which it clearly isn't). Nonetheless, based on all these verifiable facts listed above, I believe it's entirely pragmatic to suggest celtic fans should stop singing it. On the other hand I don't know anything about that other song, don't know the tune, don't know the words and don't know the subject matter. I will now agree my original assertion was hopeful in the extreme. I was hoping that pragmatism in the face of real damage to the club might change opinions as to the worthiness of singing the songs. However it seems to me that some celtic fans are more concerned about their 'rights' to sing specific songs and chants than the potential or real impact of doing so on the club. Fortunately, as judged by the relative proportions of our fans who sing the 'questionable' songs as compared to those who don't they're in a small minority. I only hope their actions don't get the club into any more trouble than it already is. As beeforsalmon says, time to move on.
Rebelboy can't move on. He's really a 44 year old man who lives in his ma's spare room. He delivers for the local Chinese takeaway three days a week. He read a few books and now thinks he cleverer than the rest of the posters on here. Life highlights include the time the priest told him he was a handsome boy and he got a funny feeling down below; the time he saw a woman wearing a bra through a window and he got a funny feeling down below; and the time in the 80's where he got a 'shiney' Celtic crest from a packet of Panini stickers and he got a funny feeling down below.
Mr T. You do realise how much I respect you, unlike the rest of us you think you are a Mister. What I want to know is how you know what age rebelbhoy is, where he lives, and what has given him funny feelings down below. Do you think he ever got those funny feelings when he was with you ? Did you get those funny feelings down below when you are with him? Do you get those funny feelings when you writr about rebelbhoy ? Do you think Mr T. that you are normal ?
Dev Advocate The fact that you make fun of my posts or write that I am posting utter rubbish makes me feel quite happy and satisfied that I have added something worthwhile to the debate. As for you, your total emphasis seems to deride fellow Celtic supporters without making any worthwhile argument yourself. I suppose like the cat, you don't have much time to go to Celtic matches. Please continue with you non contribution I am sure all the posters here eagerly await your three/ four word put down. There is more true Celtic blood flowing through HarryHood 's wee finger than your bear like body.
Are you mental? Honestly? Am I to agree with you because you are a Celtic fan and therefore beyond rebuke because we share some common bond? When someone (anyone) posts something which I think is nonsense, I will say so and on this occasion you have made some absolutely ridiculous assertions, laughable in fact. You said "The police of course submitted reports saying Rangers chants were just funny ditties and Rangers got off time and time again." That is either the fantastical imaginings of a mental patient or a blatant lie,(I suspect the latter although I have given serious consideration that you may indeed be mental) . What is your source for this assertion? Let me guess, you have none? You, you cretin, are not the arbiter of what is "worthwhile" or not so don't dare try and lecture me on what being a "Celtic supporter" means and don't take wild, ill-informed stabs in the dark about what type of person I am. Who do you think you are?. The brass neck of you. Now away and fumble around you keyboard and type out another pile of drivel (or lies) so that everyone - bar Harry - can snigger through their fingers in embarassment at your illogical, deranged, infantile slabberings.
I made it all up. Obviously. You don't get the whole 'username' thing do you? I have named myself after a celebrity that I bear a striking resembelance to. Have you heard of him? And you should respect me you little bitch.
Dev advocate, Thank God I don't go down your road of regarding people who don't agree with me as mental. I would not assume anyone to have a mental illness unless I had a good qualification in medicine. I don't presume you have, just a complete ignoramus with no respect for people who don't agree with you. I may not have any medical expertise but one of my children is an experienced barrister and I asked my "child" how Celtic could be fined by UEFA for their first offence but the bears had been reported on a number of cases before action was taken. The reply I got was, that there could be a number of reasons possibly relating to the type of singing, or chanting but the most likely reason was that Celtic had been reported by the local police, and the police had not reported Rangers and could well have submitted a report that could significantly decrease the seriousness of the alleged offence. Once again despite your prognosis I want to repeat to you that I don't regard myself mental. You can chose to believe my explanation or you can dismiss it but one way or other I shall not be divulging any further details, as the barrister in my family does not want his/her opinions trolling back and forward on football forums. Dev I am so pleased that you have so much love and respect for a fellow supporter, however I think I hit a raw nerve, maybe not just as wonderful a supporter as you want to make out. With the hatred you reserve for Celtic fans I suppose you just can't allow yourself to post about Rangers fans at all, the temper and rage would spew all over the lap-top. Or maybe you have more time for them, good understanding, have you Dev.
A bit unfortunate really given I'm in my early 30's! I married a battleaxe that refuses to die as well :-(
Mr. T. There are many celebrities that you could have called yourself after. But you did chose a Mr. which indicates to me that there is a bit of a pompous prick about you. However T respect has to be earned, and I am afraid you are very far off earning any respect from me.
Aw naw - some slack jawed sleverring jakie doesn't respect me. T I find it hard to understand your ulsterscot. Maybe you could repost in English please, as I am not one of the thirty odd people that uses that language.
'Oh dear, some slack jawed, dribbling tramp doesn't respect me.' I'm sorry, we can't all speak the Queen's English like your good self.
