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It wasn't a fluke.

 

He was so much quicker, then so slow on race day.

No amount of driving talent could make up that gap (even in the wet). It was all setup (a wet one to be precise).

 

What did Sutil do before F1?

Im not saying Hulk is going to be the best ever but he shouldnt be Underrated either and deserves a spot in F1.

 

No it wasn't.

 

He went out with the right approach at the right time. If the track had been dry he would not have been on pole.

 

Rubbish. He was 1.8 seconds quicker than rubens and a second faster than Vettel in a red bull. In order to that with a normal setup he would have to be the best driver ever by a considerable margin. Which looking at the rest of his season i doubt.

If it wasn't a wet setup it was something else.

 

Sutil did very little pre-F1, but he has proven that IN F1 he is talented enough to deserve a seat.
Hulkenberg definitely deserves a seat in F1, he does not deserve to displace Sutil however.

 

By that logic you could say pretty much anything is a fluke eg. Vettel fluked the 2011 WDC because he put the Red Bull on pole most races and pulled out at gap at the start of races so he did not get passed by DRS and he could control races. If he had not had the RB7 he would not of been able to do this.

 

Except that logic fails because Webber had the RB7 and he failed with it massively.
Hulkenberg would not have gained pole had the track been fully wet, nor if it was fully dry. He took the opportunity very well and did something no-one else was brave enough to do. However, it is foolish to use this pole as the sole example of his talent.

 

If he had a wet setup then he would of finished lower than 8th and he would not of been able to hold Hamilton behind him like he did.

He did not have a wet setup and and he did not fluke it, yes because he was not under any pressure he could take more risks but it was driving abilty that got him a pole, he set something like 8 consecutive purple sectors.

 

Yes and it was wet for all the other drivers on the grid.
Of course he could not of got the pole lap when it was dry, nobody was saying he could, but wet conditions help even out the field. All the other 23 drivers had the same opportunity as Hulk and most of the driver had better cars to do it in, and yet he was the one who destroyed the entire field. I think that is not foolish in the slightest to use it to show that he has a lot of talent.

 

You honestly think that with no helping factors. Hulkenberg is a full second faster than Vettel. Then off barrichello's pace again at the next race.

 

Except as Brundle pointed out, all it took was him going more aggressive on the outlap than the others were prepared to. He could just as easily have chucked it in the wall, and it's a set of circumstances that could only take place on a DRYING track...
To my mind, I see bravery, not talent. His talent is shown by other factors, like being GP2 champion.

 

I have already said that Hulk was able to push more because he had nothing to lose and the wet/dry conditions helped level the playing field at bit and reward the brave. But Hulk did not gain that pole by a wet setup or anything like that either, I would also say that in wet/dry conditions a Williams setup for the wet would be slower than a Red Bull setup for the dry. Hulk just nailed qualifying that day and the wet/dry conditions just highlighted his performance.

 

But he did not chuck it into a wall, he did not even come close to crashing. Are you really saying that bravery has got nothing to do with talent?

 

Not even going to argue with the people detracting from Hulkenberg's performance. It was a sublime piece of driving, end of.

 

You can be as brave as you want, won't necessarily get you very far, see Hamilton this year.
I'm pretty sure this is an old discussion, so I'll summarise: well done to Hulkenberg for getting pole, well done to him for calling it right. However, it was a fluke; he took the opportunity very well but as has been pointed out he was off Barichello's pace again at the next race. If you're looking for evidence of his talent, "the" pole isn't it - in my view.

 

On another note (not sure it's been mentioned) Colin Kolles has been replaced: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/16194591.stm

 

Can't be bothered to carry on this argument, you clearly are not a fan of logic, reason, or know what the word "fluke" means, so it would be foolish of me to keep banging my head against a wall.

 

Regardless even with the pole (not so much a fluke and a fine performance, not as good as people say) Hulkenberg is overrated. Look at the whole season.

Im fed up with people telling me how fantastic he is and what a travesty he wasn't around in 2011. He above average, but i dont see a special talent.