Frightening mate. Non dom billionaires telling the working class they don’t need the nhs and as we we can see some believe it. Turkeys voting for Christmas sadly.
Those who need it least having the most say courtesy of their financial power and ownership of the media. The internet isn’t a free place where everyone has their own fair say unfortunately, the lack of regulation just exacerbates the issue. Just buy or found your own social media platform and say whatever you like with impunity.
My option does nothing of the sort. I suspect it is the lense through which you choose to see everything that is the problem here. In every post you seem to bring farage, tories or working class into it. Irrespective of the points folk make, it is all back to one narrow perspective. Here is a thought for you. If Reform get in it will be down to the failure of the current government, your seeming all wonderful, people saving Labour party. It is much harder to lose an election than win one. If they manage to lose a landslide majority and all the power to do good they could dream of, to a rag tag bunch of no hopers, they will have failed every person in this country, including whatever constitutes working class these days.
I personally think the NHS is f******* and not all things. It is a bi polar system that when it works well it is awesome but when it doesn't it is dreadful. A hybrid system of minor ailments go private and major illnesses (like Spain and Portugal do) has got to be the way to go. I have seen and lived both systems with my wife who is severely epileptic. NHS measured poor compared to Spain and Portugal. I also saw the measure of theft from all countries, from handwash, blue "kitchen roll" and other first aid kit material ending up in private households as a perk of the job - not in other countries. Something has got to change.
Here is a thought for you be careful what you wish for and see who is pulling your strings because they don’t need or want the nhs. Sadly it is working class people who will suffer the most if we lose it, not non dom billionaires. As a side you must have missed my posts praising tories and the liberals where applicable. In terms of lenses I don’t fall for right with bullshit peddled by non dom billionaires. Now there is a thought.
I like the NHS and think if it can be preserved, we should try to do that. That said it needs massive reform and an almost complete gutting and rebuild. More money than ever being pumped in yet it's coming apart at the seams, good faith proponents of the NHS need to come at the topic from this angle because it feels like it's failings are sometimes ignored/deemphasised for ideological reasons.
I agree with you - and any reform is going to be politically a hot potato. Nonetheless, my view is that its a self destructive animal. I would wish to preserve it, and grow it, to be the envy of the world. My concern is that it is so unsustainable in it's current format that the change when it inevitability arrives is too brutal and hits too many ordinary people too hard. It is a tough issue the the country needs to address now
The problem with the NHS is the same problem we see across the entire country in almost all sectors, we have cultivated a culture of entitled takers, everybody out to see what they can get, no national pride, no sense of doing what is right, just a sense of taking whatever I can get. Atomised and without community.
We're in agreement then, nobody wants to pay £10,000 for a broken finger or whatever madness they have over there, but what we have now cannot go on.
Nobody is pulling my strings whatsoever. I do my own research and thinking. I stopped being blinded by a poltical loyalty to one party years ago. It was liberating. Allowed me to see things for myself and not through any tinted glasses.
The nhs is getting investment and being modernised with some of the daft practices being removed which will hopefully get the nhs where it needs to be. The last labour government had the shortest nhs waiting times in its history hopefully we will get there again. As someone who goes to the US a lot we don’t want Farage’s US mates anywhere near our nhs.
‘Official figures claim that the NHS employs around 1.5 million people in England, with roughly 25 per cent born abroad. This includes doctors, nurses, and other healthcare professionals. Nurses in England are particularly reliant on international recruitment, with around 28 per cent of the workforce trained overseas, which amounts to between 100,000 and 120,000 individuals. Almost 40 per cent of licenced doctors in the UK also trained abroad. Between October 2024 and March 2025, the health and social care sector accounted for around a third of all skilled worker visa grants, with care workers and nurses being the most common occupations. The NHS has historically depended on overseas recruitment to fill staffing gaps, particularly in areas with chronic shortages such as emergency departments, intensive care units, and rural hospitals. Farage’s proposals could exacerbate staffing pressures. Restricting visa renewals or implementing deportations could remove large numbers of experienced staff, leading to longer waiting times, delays in elective surgeries, and pressure on emergency services. Farage’s proposals could exacerbate staffing pressures. Restricting visa renewals or implementing deportations could remove large numbers of experienced staff, leading to longer waiting times, delays in elective surgeries, and pressure on emergency services. Hospitals that already struggle to recruit domestically could find it difficult to maintain current levels of care, particularly in specialist roles that require international experience or training. https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/n...utm_term=editorial_the_essential_active_users Worse picture for social care which increases pressure on health. Can you trust Reform with your health? Do they hate more than they care ?
Sure, but it makes you come across a bit unhinged if you reference him across multiple threads several times a day. Just letting you know.
Well you must have missed my posts praising the liberals and Tories then. I don’t follow wing bullshit funded by non dom billionaires. Perhaps some should try it.
I’m not defending Labour who have done some right and down wrong, but I think that’s too simplistic. It’s been a year and they inherited a situation where the Tories had pretty much forced the economy into a whole with cheap gimmicks with the intention of causing the next lot a struggle so they could win the time after. The problem is it’ll be Reform who reap the benefits not run so an even worse option. I don’t know whether Labour needed to promise not to tax but as you’ve said previously they probably have to do it and I’d argue their poor image is down to trying to take it out of the vulnerable not those who can afford tax, in the context of political parties requiring donations from the rich to campaign and the country being in debt to those with disgraceful levels of finance. Politics is in a pickle, people are insecure and the party in power can’t paint the true picture without unsettling its residents. That’s my take
