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Discussion in 'Charlton' started by lardiman, Mar 15, 2025.

  1. Ponders Revisited

    Ponders Revisited Well-Known Member

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    What are his fascist ideas?

    I'm genuinely curious.
     
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  2. Ponders Revisited

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    How's the 'one in, one out' scheme going?

    I bet it's been a roaring success like everything Labour does...

    Oh no, I've just learned no flights have taken off yet. Apparently, an Eritrean migrant stopped the take-off.

    Does that mean I could travel to Eritrea without documents, put my hand out, and receive a hotel room with all expenses paid?
     
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  3. lardiman

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    A Judge stopped the take-off. Pesky Human Rights Act :headbang:
    Poor old Sir Keir knows how Rishi felt now.

    The Labour Home Secretary - a daughter of immigrants herself - just described that Court ruling as "a mockery of our laws".
    Words that could have come straight out of Nigel Farage's mouth.

    At this rate an incoming Reform UK Government won't have to take Britain out of the ECHR.
    Labour will beat them to it as their well founded fear of a General Election drubbing in 2029 grows.
    But they're deluded if they think such a move will save them.

    Reform UK, Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk now call the shots. They have time - and unfolding events - on their side.
    Down we all go together, into darkness.
     
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    So when I say his fascist ideas I really mean him, his government and the inclusion of the extreme elements of the MAGA movement. Examples include:
    • His continuous attacks on immigration and immigrants including his ICE raids. I honestly believe this is racially motivated
    • Anti-LGBTQ Rhetoric and Policies
    • Challenges to US democracy and the courts of law (replacing key people that oppose his views)
    • Attacks on the press
    • Lies and disinformation (on everything) used to mask predominantly self-gain (see below)
    • Self-gain including manipulation of markets
    • Interference with other countries democracies including threats/suggestions of taking over other countries territories (eg Canada / Greenland)
    • His unwaivering support for genocide in Gaza
    • Love of leaders like Putin who demonstrate authoritarianism which many of his own actions seem to suggest he is moving towards mimicking him
    • Fanning of political tensions
     
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    Safe to say I’m not a fan
     
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  6. lardiman

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    <laugh>
     
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    It's not a pretty sight to see our PM and others sucking up to the friend of a convicted *****phile, but if he called out Teflon Trump for his misdemeanors and we ended up paying 50% tariffs and losing jobs he'd be crucified.
     
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    We've also got Prince Andrew, the King's brother - and that photo of him with his arm round the poor girl who killed herself.
    So we're not really in a position to call out the Donald on Epstein.
     
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    When did it all of a sudden become fascism to rid your country of illegal migrants? They have no right to go wherever they choose just because their home countries are a bit crap. Fact is, uncontrolled migration is a massive drain on resources, including housing, hospitals, schools, prisons and the welfare state. Social cohesion is at breaking point, and it's all the fault of successive wishy-washy governments and their inability to turn people around. The illegal migrants make a mockery of those who do everything by the book and come here to enhance our society.

    Labelling people fascists is the argument of the feeble.
     
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    We may well have to disagree on politics my friend
     
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    Fair enough, bud.
     
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    For me the issue is less about illegal migration (though that of course should be tackled and more about legal migration as just too many people are coming to this country.
    Less vilification of immigrants and more tightening of the process is required.

    that all said the main global issue is distribution of wealth . For the US in particular they have a massive issue at the top of the tree with POTUS cosying up to mega business leaders . Some how I have very little faith in the man and woman on the US streets financially winning on that front
     
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    And on top of everything else you have extreme weather events now queueing up to destroy the fragile infrastructure of dozens of vulnerable, poor Countries.
    Millions upon millions of refugees stripped of what little they ever owned.

    Right now it might be the wealthier folk who can afford to scrape together a few thousand dollars to pay the smugglers, coming over a few hundred at a time.
    Tomorrow there will be a torrent of displaced, desperate families. Europe's Eastern land borders will become vast camps of suffering souls, and eventually killing fields. The Mediterranean Sea will claim uncounted victims, drowned when their boats are deliberately sunk.

    And that's what makes me even more pessimistic about the current situation than the crisis in the 1930's that led to WW2.
    Back then, after all the horror, war and genocide, the World in 1945 had a chance to slowly create something new and possibly better from the devastation.
    This time, Global weather will just continue to get more and more violent.
    There won't be a better tomorrow for people to look forward to.
     
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    Your words are bleak but I agree that global warming will be an absolute catastrophe and the governments of the world today are doing nothing but lip service to it
     
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    That all said if we’d have beaten millwall I’d have a more positive view of it all
     
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    Who's going to deliberately sink the boats?

    I hope you have a bed made up in your spare room, because we are all going to have to take in a migrant when the millions converge on our shores. I could maybe fit one in my airing cupboard.
     
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    Yes but Prince Andrew is a Royal Pariah, Donald is completely unaffected by his relationship with Epstein.
    The closing down of free speech in America should worry us all. The press are up his arse now. The news stations are falling into line. You can say what you like as long as it pleases the Supreme Leader.
     
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    I agree.
    Trump has the Courts and the Press and several paramilitary groups, whose muscles were flexed in Washington DC in January 2020.
    All three essential ingredients for toppling a democratic system.
    He doesn't quite control the US Courts and Press as totally as Hitler controlled those institutions in Germany after January 1933.
    But the parallels are very frightening in my view.

    Fortunately in the UK we still have a greater degree of Press freedom and independence in our Justice system.
    The former can be eroded with relative ease. Controlling the Courts will be more difficult, as we do not have the US system of appointing openly political judges.
    But Britain leaving the ECHR is a huge red flag to me.
    Rather than simply restoring Political power to Westminster as Brexit should have done, I think scrapping International Human Rights law in the UK will leave our Courts far more vulnerable to political interference. A big step along the road to the downfall of British democracy.
     
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    It's been a bit quiet on the football front.
    Must admit I've not had any interest in the European games. This new league format means results don't seem to matter for a while.
    Now Trump has gone back to the USA we can perhaps focus a bit more on football again rather than gloomy politics...
     
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    I never focus on politics thank you very much <laugh>
     
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