Off Topic The threat from the Far-Right

The NHS is a severely underfunded mess. I would happily see it gone.

It’s a great idea in principle but it clearly doesn’t work. It’s forever struggling and it’s another system that people cheat and take advantage of.

By the way, I’m not criticising the people who work in the NHS who do a great job.

 

What would you replace it with? Insurance based care?

It was the envy of the world, its now a mess that needs reform, my family were all and some still are front line in the NHS, the frustration they have all felt because they cant do their jobs properly due to red tape etc is criminal

 

I need to go and sort my life out but it’s important this happens like you say . My son has unfortunately broken his leg going out to get healthy - so now can’t work and is ****ting it. Last thing i’ll say is that I genuinely understand the reasons people are frustrated about the uk but I’ll guarantee this now. Like Brexit, it’ll get worse under Reform. I’d bet my own life on it i’m that sure. I want people to get their heads around the whole policy picture of reform and what It’ll mean in real life for our society, them, their families and loved ones and neighbours. The immigrant thing is an issue without doubt but isn’t big enough to be the cause of our societal downturn. It’s more complicated and far deeper. Look beyond this issue as well as at this.

 

No NHS? Wow. I slipped on black ice two years ago. Open fracture 3 compounds. Screws back together the next day and I’m back doing. Amazing job and amazing people. I value it so highly. I have my job and my life back as a result. My dad had a life saving hear op three weeks later. Happy to pay my tax. Be careful what you wish for.

 

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I sat in a presentation about the nhs ten year plan on Thursday. It won a little bit of labour back for me at a time I didn’t expect. They want to redirect money to the frontline and have looked at doing more of things that work. I think there is more hope with this than Farage’s insurance privatised model.

 

As I said, great people, but severely underfunded and neglected.

It’s not great. I’m happy you and your dad got the help you needed, but many people are not. Waiting lists are high, and people are dying waiting.

It stopped working a long time ago. Great idea in principle, but ultimately it’s failing.

 

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Money to the front line has always been the issue for those at the front line. They want to give people the best care possible, not be hamstrung with red tape.

When the NHS goes (and it will) there will be a lot of people wishing it was around and we and governments found a solution

 

Sorry to hear about your son and his injury, mate. Thoughts and prayers mean very little when you're worrying about basic practicalities but he's got you and I'm sure a strong support network around him. He'll be alright in the longer term. Best wishes to him and you.

I happen to agree with you regarding reform/farage...not the answer to anything and in the nightmare scenario they succeed that will become apparent to all very quickly.

 

Waiting lists wont be an issue when the NHS is gone and everyone needs insurance.

Only because people wont be able to afford the insurance or the treatment. But thats ok, at least the figures look good

 

Get rid of the nhs and many of the people who think farage and Yaxley Lennon have the answers will have no medical care for them are their families. People need to be careful what they wish for.

it certainly want a mess under the last Labour government and it will be in a better place with this one.

 

If taxes were hypothecated we would know how much we're already paying towards "health cover" ie effectively an insurance payment in all but name.

Of course if you are very wealthy you could have 'extra' insurance and use the Spire without the waiting list. Private hospitals like the Washington Spire are effectively built on the back of the NHS.

Of course there are waiting lists, eg senior management might need a hip replacement, I am not sure if we could afford to go privately.. but would if we could. Urgent life saving procedures take priority. Personally I cannot whinge, in the past few months I have had 2 renograms, a CT scan and an ultrasound (all clear), heavens knows how much that would cost.

 

My issue is people say the NHS is broken and needs removing but never say what its replaced with. Is it insurance based like the good old US of A?

Is it a hybrid system?

Then when questioned how people who cant afford the insurance or the treatment get help, like they do now, there isnt an answer.

The NHS needs reform, everyone knows it, the staff are desperate for it. Trouble is there's too many snouts in the trough for whats actually needed, which is to give the front line the tools to do their job

 

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Iirc I read some study about per capital spend on health care, outcomes and coverage.
The USA spends a huge amount on health care, lots more than per capital than the UK, but the outcomes similar, however millions of people do not have cover, ie can't afford medicines or n3cessay procedures. Health insurance companies and hospitals makes profits by giving procedures/medicines over and above what is necessary but what can be carried out under insurance.

I don't have a problem if wealthy people 'go private' but play their taxes. As their NHS spot can go to somebody else.

One big problem with waiting lists is of course 'bed blocking' by the elderly (ie my age group). Loads more care homes will mean waiting lists could go down.

 

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Problem is how much of bed blocking is cause you outdated procedures, my mother before her death was in hospital a few times ,say she was in a week, we would go in daily, this happened at least twice, went in Thursday, told would we be available to take her home next day, go in next day ,oh cannot see doctor as he is busy so will be in at least till next Monday, why cannot ward sister not work with doctors and release patients or are they to busy protecting their little kingdom .

 

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