Off Topic The threat from the Far-Right

The current government are tax dodging, look at Rayner. My dad used to say “they are all bad, you’ve just got to pick the best of a bad bunch”

Reform isn’t the perfect answer, but name me a current party that is. Conservatives and Labour are laughing stocks, and other than that what are you left with?

English politics are an absolute mess. It’s no wonder the country is on its knees. These politicians have committed bigger crimes than the people they lock up.

 

Look at Farage?

 

You don't consider Tommy Robinson to be far right?

 

He apparently spent his time in prison brushing up on Das Kapital by Karl Marx.

 

I am looking at him. But I’m just pointing out they are all the same.

 

The "Highly qualified lawyer" at the top of government is a human rights barrister. A very lucrative, but limited line of law, as it does not need to consider anything like the precedent of common law. He is not interested in stopping illegal immigration, though he would like it to look like he is.

Illegal immigration cannot be stopped while any country is a signatory to the ECHR, or the UN conventions on refugees and asylum seekers. Most illegal immigrants are young single men who have had the money to pay traffickers money to get here.

Clearly, they are very rarely either of the two, and even where they are, both conventions state that any refugee or asylum seeker should reside in the country to which they have fled, and not make their way through a continent of countries, helped on their way, on route to here.

EU law states that the recieving country must make accomodation for them, obviously an absurd state of affairs.

The government has said that they will never even appeal an ECHR decision, or any other decision made by a supra national body. Hermer was adamant on this point. The ECHR has always judged on the side of illegal immigrants, here and elsewhere, though not all signatories take full notice.

It is not about Oswald Mosely, it is about successive governments telling blatant lies and treating people like fools.

 

Actually, I don't like PR, you only have to look at the stasis in France, Germany, Holland and elsewhere to see why.
However, Farage has said that he would like to see it introduced. Until he wouldn't need it that is.
He is not a bogey man, he is just a good campaigner. And you can be certain of this; he won't be PM.

 

Some good points... I just think as Starmer ( and as you say has some human rights experience)and now the new home secretary are lawyers (?) They should be able to break the gordian knot of restricting legislation.

Meloni in Italy has been stymied by laws. Like France their laws are codified, UK is different, precedent.

I just cannot see F agash sorting this mess out. Starmer and co, if they want to stay in office and get elected, need to respond to voters wishes.

 

Will Reforms policies legitimise tax dodging yes or no ? Do labours yes or no?
Mate I don’t like Starmer either but Farage is the master class in tax avoidance while saying he’s a patriot, it’s his thing - more than immigrants - making the wealthies richer is his number one mission and he’s openly saying billionaires will pay less so me and you have to pay more. If you want to fund that more fool you. Labour are dodging taxing wealth on a big scale to ensure they get donors but on a small scale are moving a bit around. Labour have done a lot wrong but please don’t fall for the Reform hustle. It’ll not benefit the likes of us. I’m looking at Greens or Lib Dems unless there are big changes at Labour. They aren’t the evil option. .

 

Unbelievable isn’t it

 

Scary.

 

Wealth taxes, ie extras on top of, capital gains, inheritance, VAT and income tax are hard to implement and judging from other countries don't collect much extra.

Closing loopholes for the above existing taxes will yield a little more. Plus companies like Apple, Google etc pay very little tax. A lot more clever HMITs need to concentrate on them.

Rayner was stupid... I doubt her conveyancing solicitor will get a Christmas card.

In order to keep Trump sweet, Mandelson probably (up till now anyway) was a useful card to play. Him and Trp being part of the Epstein amigos, ie he knew where the bodies were buried. Now the appointment has blown up in his face..Trump arrives in the UK shortly, great timing.

 

I'm sure the Far Right had a presence. However, it definitely wasn't all Far Right. Sir Trevor Phillips on Sky News this morning... link below.

https://youtube.com/shorts/PPk3ZgfWdp4?si=NQmzqwzGZhnRh54b

 

We probably won’t agree regarding tax. I believe everybody is paying too much tax, rich and poor.

I also believe the uk should be somewhere billionaires and millionaires want to be. These are people that create businesses which in turn creates jobs and opportunities.

If you tax successful people to death, they will just leave. Taking their money which you can no longer tax, and taking away jobs and opportunities.

You also stop ordinary people wanting to start businesses. What’s the point in working your ass off for years, with all the stress and hours put in. At the end you are successful and you’re giving huge chunks of your success to the government? What’s the point, you might aswell save the stress and work an ordinary job.

Lower taxes, get the rich people into the country and creating opportunities.

Highering taxes never works. Labour stupidly took away the non dom. What happened? The people left, and by leaving, the London housing market has now froze. Which means less stamp duty taxes for the government. It’s backfired. Highering taxes for the rich gets your country nowhere, apart from broke.

 

Take your point re PR...but I stopped voting a few cycles ago because it's literally pointless where I live and that can't be right.

People are desperate for change – that many people on the street isn’t apathy, it’s fury. If anyone honestly thinks Farage is the answer, they’re being had.

He’s not here to hand you control, he’s here to keep you angry enough to keep him relevant. That’s his whole game. He rails against Westminster, but he’s never done or said anything to change how it works – because the stitch-up is exactly what he feeds off.

Real change isn’t some dafty on TV with a pint and a soundbite. Real change is power leaving Westminster for good – communities setting their own priorities, regions actually in control of their own futures. That’s the only fight worth turning out for, for me.

 

For once I wish I was far right.

Far right in her bussom.

 

0.3% of the rich left. Read this …
‘A millionaire exodus widely reported by news outlets around the world in 2024, and credited for the UK Labour government’s decision to weaken tax reforms, did not occur, the Tax Justice Network reveals.

The media reporting – consisting of over 10,900 news pieces across print, broadcast and online news in 2024 – was primarily based on a report published by Henley & Partners1, a firm that sells golden passports to the superrich and advises governments on setting up such schemes. The European Court of Justice recently ruled one such scheme, that of Malta, to be unlawful.

The Tax Justice Network’s review – co-published with Patriotic Millionaires UK and Tax Justice UK – of the Henley report finds that the number of millionaires claimed by Henley & Partners to be leaving countries in “exodus” in 2024 represented near-0% of those countries’ millionaire populations.For example, the 9500 millionaires widely reported to be leaving the UK in 2024 represented 0.3% of the UK’s 3.06 million millionaires’
It was widely quoted by the Tories and Reform but their policies are to ease things for the wealthiest. It isn’t true.
Labour eased the tax on non doms after lobbying. It stinks. So that’s not true either. Reform have committed to make non doms richer in return for cutting public services. Which ones are you going for ? Health services, disability, youth services, help for the elderly or pensions ? Housing benefit ? Road repairs? Transport infrastructure ? Unemployment benefits? If you get no tax you get services. If you tax the top 5% which they wouldn’t even notice you could invest in preventative services to reduce cost. Did you support Labour cutting dissbility or winter payments? No tax makes that unaffordable I’m afraid.

 

A number of ex Tories, who played a big part in getting this country in the state we find ourselves in over the previous 14 years have joined Reform. How would they do a better job, when they shafted the country in the first place. Farage is just a grifter, a wannabe Trump, who in turn seems to be a wanabee Hitler more and more as the weeks go by.

For clarity, I'm not saying the present lot have been anything to write home about either.

 

There’s no other options than Farage. If an election is had tomorrow he will win. And it’s down to Labour and the tories who have both done the worst job they could possibly do.

 

Literally not true. There are likely to be at least 5 other options.